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> Quick and incredibly shallow, yet the most prominent comment in the thread. > What is being discussed in Cuba goes beyond anything existing in the rest of the

> Quick and incredibly shallow, yet the most prominent comment in the thread. > What is being discussed in Cuba goes beyond anything existing in the rest of the world Goes on to not give a single example of it going beyond anything existing in the rest of the world.

notch656a 4y ago
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foogazi 4y ago
Parent mentions it in their post: this is not some law handed down from a court or imposed by Congress Cuba is redefining its family law all at once, not via piecemeal disjointed legislative “victories”, but via a public referendum that goes against the established culture
- notch656a 4y ago
  How could that legislation be democratic if it goes against the established 'culture' the majority is in favor of? A democratic outcome would be one that follows the majority opinion that has been established. An outcome against the vote of the majority would not be 'democratic' (although it may be more equitable or better protect rights of minority). Of course, on the democratic side it's hard to really call a system democratic when merely conveying ideas results in jail time, such as "Ladies in White" who have been arrested for activity like holding up a sign in a park that says "stop hunger."
  - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
    You posted some very low effort answer you were ashamed of, canceled it AFTER I already answered you and now you post more nonsense and expect me to give you attention again?
    - notch656a 4y ago
      Considering my reply was to foogazi and not yourself, you seem to be pretty presumptive regarding my desire for your 'attention' on this comment.
  - foogazi 4y ago
    Hey I hold no fantasies about some Cuban socialist utopia Reading the Reuters article it seems those meetings are being held countrywide - and that is a different way of doing things Maybe it generates consensus, maybe younger cubans are not beholden to the old social norms Maybe it’s all fake - I don’t know
- tfsss78e 4y ago
  I'm afraid you're not familiar with how things work in Cuba. In short, you mustn't believe much of what you read on Granma, which is the official newspaper, fully controlled by the government. It's not free press, it's a government propaganda machine. No one can publish a response or contradicting article there, or in any other newspaper in Cuba. There is even legislation to prevent what they call "free press" online. What this article refers to as a "democratic process" is in reality a quick assembly at work places and your neighborhood, organised by the government and the only legal party (the Cuban Communist Party). Assistance is mandatory, or you risk losing your job or place at university. Voting against will have the same consequences. So, yes, a lot of people were asked if they were in favour or against the new family code, but they were all coerced. More importantly, those people cannot choose their own government because only one party is allowed in the country, and a huge repressive state controls their every move.
  - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
    Ah yes, thank you, throwaway account created just to dump on Cuba.
    - tfsss78e 4y ago
      Not really. It's an anonymous account because I'm Cuban, with family still living in Cuba, and even after many years living in a different country I don't dare to say anything bad about the Cuban government because I'm afraid they won't let me in next time I go visit my family, or even worse, that they won't let me out! Also, please don't equate Cuba the country to Cuba the government. They are two very different things.
pastacacioepepe 4y ago
I mean can you read? Then go ahead and read the article. Why should I do your job for you?

notch656a 4y ago

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foogazi 4y ago

Parent mentions it in their post: this is not some law handed down from a court or imposed by Congress Cuba is redefining its family law all at once, not via piecemeal disjointed legislative “victories”, but via a public referendum that goes against the established culture

notch656a 4y ago
How could that legislation be democratic if it goes against the established 'culture' the majority is in favor of? A democratic outcome would be one that follows the majority opinion that has been established. An outcome against the vote of the majority would not be 'democratic' (although it may be more equitable or better protect rights of minority). Of course, on the democratic side it's hard to really call a system democratic when merely conveying ideas results in jail time, such as "Ladies in White" who have been arrested for activity like holding up a sign in a park that says "stop hunger."
- pastacacioepepe 4y ago
  You posted some very low effort answer you were ashamed of, canceled it AFTER I already answered you and now you post more nonsense and expect me to give you attention again?
  - notch656a 4y ago
    Considering my reply was to foogazi and not yourself, you seem to be pretty presumptive regarding my desire for your 'attention' on this comment.
- foogazi 4y ago
  Hey I hold no fantasies about some Cuban socialist utopia Reading the Reuters article it seems those meetings are being held countrywide - and that is a different way of doing things Maybe it generates consensus, maybe younger cubans are not beholden to the old social norms Maybe it’s all fake - I don’t know
tfsss78e 4y ago
I'm afraid you're not familiar with how things work in Cuba. In short, you mustn't believe much of what you read on Granma, which is the official newspaper, fully controlled by the government. It's not free press, it's a government propaganda machine. No one can publish a response or contradicting article there, or in any other newspaper in Cuba. There is even legislation to prevent what they call "free press" online. What this article refers to as a "democratic process" is in reality a quick assembly at work places and your neighborhood, organised by the government and the only legal party (the Cuban Communist Party). Assistance is mandatory, or you risk losing your job or place at university. Voting against will have the same consequences. So, yes, a lot of people were asked if they were in favour or against the new family code, but they were all coerced. More importantly, those people cannot choose their own government because only one party is allowed in the country, and a huge repressive state controls their every move.
- pastacacioepepe 4y ago
  Ah yes, thank you, throwaway account created just to dump on Cuba.
  - tfsss78e 4y ago
    Not really. It's an anonymous account because I'm Cuban, with family still living in Cuba, and even after many years living in a different country I don't dare to say anything bad about the Cuban government because I'm afraid they won't let me in next time I go visit my family, or even worse, that they won't let me out! Also, please don't equate Cuba the country to Cuba the government. They are two very different things.

pastacacioepepe 4y ago

I mean can you read? Then go ahead and read the article. Why should I do your job for you?