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Tangential: I’m not satisfied with the existing control of notifications in iOS. I want to allow ebay to notify me when my shipment gets updated but shut up whe

Tangential: I’m not satisfied with the existing control of notifications in iOS. I want to allow ebay to notify me when my shipment gets updated but shut up when it wants to advertise. Not possible in the current setup. I have disabled notifications of many apps whose notifications include useful information but also too much garbage.

judge2020 4y ago
> I want to allow ebay to notify me when my shipment gets updated but shut up when it wants to advertise. Developers are supposed to clearly separate notifications into groups that users can turn off individually, but right now it's not something that gets apps rejected from the app store review process[0]. Also, iOS 16 introduces managing shipping in Wallet[1], however apps need to use an API to 'ship' their tracking numbers to the Wallet app; wish this included the ability to manually add tracking numbers and/or scan mail from the built-in Mail app for tracking links. 0: https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/ios/system-capabilities/notifications/#sending-marketing-notifications https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline... 1: https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-16-preview/#:~:text=Apple%C2%A0Pay%C2%A0Later-,Track%20your%20orders,-View%20your%20receipts https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-16-preview/#:~:text=Apple%C2%A... (ctrl f "track your orders")
pieno 4y ago
Totally agreed! It’s a bit ambiguous, but the Apple App Store guidelines seem to require you to be able to opt-out from marketing push notifications, while still keeping other notifications. From guideline 4.5.4: “Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages. (..)” [0] The developer/user experience guidelines also recommend to have a clear screen to opt-in and out of different types of notifications, and never to abuse privileges (e.g. send marketing notifications with a “time critical” flag to break through focus mode etc.). I really hated Uber Eats when I thought they were abusing their notification privileges to send spam. But I recently found out that they do allow you to opt out of marketing notifications while still allowing order-related notifications (although they really are pushing it (pun intended) by sending at least two post-delivery notifications asking for tips and ratings, which could easily wait until I actually open the app again or at least be limited to just one delivery confirmation notification). Not sure if they are asking for clear opt-ins for new customers (they probably assumed opt-in based on some general consent I gave before this Apple policy came into effect). [0] https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#apple-sites-and-services https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#app... [1] https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/ios/system-capabilities/notifications https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline... (“Sending Marketing Notifications” at the end)
- Nextgrid 4y ago
  App Store guidelines are only enforced when it's convenient for Apple. This clause has been routinely ignored and even Apple themselves broke it several times. There's no official way to report violations either.

judge2020 4y ago

> I want to allow ebay to notify me when my shipment gets updated but shut up when it wants to advertise. Developers are supposed to clearly separate notifications into groups that users can turn off individually, but right now it's not something that gets apps rejected from the app store review process[0]. Also, iOS 16 introduces managing shipping in Wallet[1], however apps need to use an API to 'ship' their tracking numbers to the Wallet app; wish this included the ability to manually add tracking numbers and/or scan mail from the built-in Mail app for tracking links. 0: https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/ios/system-capabilities/notifications/#sending-marketing-notifications https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline... 1: https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-16-preview/#:~:text=Apple%C2%A0Pay%C2%A0Later-,Track%20your%20orders,-View%20your%20receipts https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-16-preview/#:~:text=Apple%C2%A... (ctrl f "track your orders")

pieno 4y ago

Totally agreed! It’s a bit ambiguous, but the Apple App Store guidelines seem to require you to be able to opt-out from marketing push notifications, while still keeping other notifications. From guideline 4.5.4: “Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages. (..)” [0] The developer/user experience guidelines also recommend to have a clear screen to opt-in and out of different types of notifications, and never to abuse privileges (e.g. send marketing notifications with a “time critical” flag to break through focus mode etc.). I really hated Uber Eats when I thought they were abusing their notification privileges to send spam. But I recently found out that they do allow you to opt out of marketing notifications while still allowing order-related notifications (although they really are pushing it (pun intended) by sending at least two post-delivery notifications asking for tips and ratings, which could easily wait until I actually open the app again or at least be limited to just one delivery confirmation notification). Not sure if they are asking for clear opt-ins for new customers (they probably assumed opt-in based on some general consent I gave before this Apple policy came into effect). [0] https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#apple-sites-and-services https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#app... [1] https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/ios/system-capabilities/notifications https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline... (“Sending Marketing Notifications” at the end)

Nextgrid 4y ago
App Store guidelines are only enforced when it's convenient for Apple. This clause has been routinely ignored and even Apple themselves broke it several times. There's no official way to report violations either.