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See, this reads like an absolute dystopia to me, like a late-stage capitalist endgame. With the WEF being a bunch of hypercapitalists, it ain't too surprising

See, this reads like an absolute dystopia to me, like a late-stage capitalist endgame. With the WEF being a bunch of hypercapitalists, it ain't too surprising that they'd pitch it as utopia instead.

codefreeordie 4y ago
I'm not convinced that WEF is a bunch of capitalists of any kind, but they definitely are working hard to both create and sell a world where nobody other than their membership has any capital.
- runes 4y ago
  they distribute ideology but I strongly doubt they possess it. the "which -ist?" question works to their favor (and has for a long time).
- yellowapple 4y ago
  That would be the capitalist endgame, yep. Or feudalist, if you prefer, but at the end of the day it's pigmeat v. pork; either way, you've got a tiny elite who owns (as close as possible to) everything and rents it back out to everyone else (who pays with their labor, be it directly as serfs or indirectly via their wages).
proc0 4y ago
This sounds like late stage techno-communism. I'm pretty sure owning things is at the core of capitalism.
- ycombigator 4y ago
  Some people still own things, just not you.
  - proc0 4y ago
    Just like communism in practice. We can look at Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba, USSR, etc, where the top elite certainly own things, just not the general public.
    - yellowapple 4y ago
      It's almost as if using a term meaning "a classless, stateless, and moneyless society" to describe societies which are precisely none of those things (in theory, let alone in practice) ain't a sign of intelligence or rationality - be it among those calling themselves "communist" or the ones taking their claim at face value. A society wherein "the top elite certainly own things, just not the general public" is the capitalist endgame; the goal is to maximize profit/wealth, and being one of the lucky few who owns everything and rents it all back out to the masses is a damn good way of going about that.
Proven 4y ago
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See, this reads like an absolute dystopia to me, like a late-stage capitalist endgame. With the WEF being a bunch of hypercapitalists, it ain't too surprising that they'd pitch it as utopia instead.

codefreeordie 4y ago

I'm not convinced that WEF is a bunch of capitalists of any kind, but they definitely are working hard to both create and sell a world where nobody other than their membership has any capital.

runes 4y ago
they distribute ideology but I strongly doubt they possess it. the "which -ist?" question works to their favor (and has for a long time).
yellowapple 4y ago
That would be the capitalist endgame, yep. Or feudalist, if you prefer, but at the end of the day it's pigmeat v. pork; either way, you've got a tiny elite who owns (as close as possible to) everything and rents it back out to everyone else (who pays with their labor, be it directly as serfs or indirectly via their wages).

proc0 4y ago

This sounds like late stage techno-communism. I'm pretty sure owning things is at the core of capitalism.

ycombigator 4y ago
Some people still own things, just not you.
- proc0 4y ago
  Just like communism in practice. We can look at Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba, USSR, etc, where the top elite certainly own things, just not the general public.
  - yellowapple 4y ago
    It's almost as if using a term meaning "a classless, stateless, and moneyless society" to describe societies which are precisely none of those things (in theory, let alone in practice) ain't a sign of intelligence or rationality - be it among those calling themselves "communist" or the ones taking their claim at face value. A society wherein "the top elite certainly own things, just not the general public" is the capitalist endgame; the goal is to maximize profit/wealth, and being one of the lucky few who owns everything and rents it all back out to the masses is a damn good way of going about that.

Proven 4y ago

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