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I don't understand the point you are trying to make here. I wish you luck getting a 2022 Apple machine with 8GB of RAM to handle 2 VMs, IntelliJ, a logic projec

I don't understand the point you are trying to make here. I wish you luck getting a 2022 Apple machine with 8GB of RAM to handle 2 VMs, IntelliJ, a logic project with 100 tracks or 4K video editing. These tasks are all limited by available RAM and the available RAM has not significantly increased since 2012 (my point).

standyro 4y ago
I definitely have used multiple VMs in VirtualBox and Docker on a daily basis on my Macbook Air M1. It's a phenomenal machine.
- dijit 4y ago
  With 8gb? I am aware that macOS is better than Linux with low memory conditions but I can’t imagine this, granted I have an older (2020) MacBook Pro, but I have ran out of ram and I specifically opted for the 32G one. As in: I got the infamous “your system is low on memory” dialog. All it took was teams, slack, chrome, MS word, docker (vm with default config) and 2 1G VMs invirtualbox
  - Schiendelman 4y ago
    The M1 machines have hardware compression on data going into memory. It goes very very far.
- tomwheeler 4y ago
  Wait---you're using VirtualBox on a Mac with an M1 chip? I didn't think that was possible (and if it is, I'll be grateful if you can tell me how).
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wtetzner 4y ago
Where did the 8GB number come from? The discussion was about 16GB.
- grumpyprole 4y ago
  The MacBook Airs have 8GB unless you build to order. My point is that Apples system-on-a-chip architecture, while giving big performance and efficiency gains, comes with a trade-off. That trade off is availability and pricing of RAM configurations.
tzs 4y ago
Editing 4K video on an 8 GB M1 iMac works a lot better than you probably would expect. See "I replaced my $10,000 iMac Pro with a base model 24" M1 iMac for video editing!" [1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkWF-fN7pQk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkWF-fN7pQk
coldtea 4y ago
I've handled all of these. With no issue. If you mean "simultaneously" thankfully I don't edit 8K video simultaneously with programming and recoding music. I don't know anyone who does either. My point is rather, "16GB in 2012, 16GB in 2022, no difference". And I say: try doing any of those things on your 2012 machine and a 16GB M1, and you'll immediately see the difference.
- grumpyprole 4y ago
  I didn't say there is "no difference" between these machines, that's ridiculous. My point is that Apples system-on-a-chip architecture, while giving big performance and efficiency gains, comes with a trade-off. That trade off is availability and pricing of RAM configurations. That 8GB or 16 works for you is great, but it doesn't work for every use case.

standyro 4y ago

I definitely have used multiple VMs in VirtualBox and Docker on a daily basis on my Macbook Air M1. It's a phenomenal machine.

dijit 4y ago
With 8gb? I am aware that macOS is better than Linux with low memory conditions but I can’t imagine this, granted I have an older (2020) MacBook Pro, but I have ran out of ram and I specifically opted for the 32G one. As in: I got the infamous “your system is low on memory” dialog. All it took was teams, slack, chrome, MS word, docker (vm with default config) and 2 1G VMs invirtualbox
- Schiendelman 4y ago
  The M1 machines have hardware compression on data going into memory. It goes very very far.
tomwheeler 4y ago
Wait---you're using VirtualBox on a Mac with an M1 chip? I didn't think that was possible (and if it is, I'll be grateful if you can tell me how).

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wtetzner 4y ago

Where did the 8GB number come from? The discussion was about 16GB.

grumpyprole 4y ago
The MacBook Airs have 8GB unless you build to order. My point is that Apples system-on-a-chip architecture, while giving big performance and efficiency gains, comes with a trade-off. That trade off is availability and pricing of RAM configurations.

tzs 4y ago

Editing 4K video on an 8 GB M1 iMac works a lot better than you probably would expect. See "I replaced my $10,000 iMac Pro with a base model 24" M1 iMac for video editing!" [1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkWF-fN7pQk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkWF-fN7pQk

coldtea 4y ago

I've handled all of these. With no issue. If you mean "simultaneously" thankfully I don't edit 8K video simultaneously with programming and recoding music. I don't know anyone who does either. My point is rather, "16GB in 2012, 16GB in 2022, no difference". And I say: try doing any of those things on your 2012 machine and a 16GB M1, and you'll immediately see the difference.

grumpyprole 4y ago
I didn't say there is "no difference" between these machines, that's ridiculous. My point is that Apples system-on-a-chip architecture, while giving big performance and efficiency gains, comes with a trade-off. That trade off is availability and pricing of RAM configurations. That 8GB or 16 works for you is great, but it doesn't work for every use case.