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It’s literally opt-in. Given that this will be relegated to a small niche at best. Most people aren’t going to go into Safari advanced settings and toggle a fla

It’s literally opt-in. Given that this will be relegated to a small niche at best. Most people aren’t going to go into Safari advanced settings and toggle a flag. Native apps will always be necessary for something that actually needs it. If anything you should be happy about this as it’ll remove control of everything from Google and Apple exclusively. Funny you talk about consolidation…

dijit 4y ago
> It’s literally opt-in. For now, I’m not sure how that will be though, if it’s anything like adding a calendar then it’s just hitting “yes” on a prompt. > Given that this will be relegated to a small niche at best. How many apps on your phone want to send notifications? > Most people aren’t going to go into Safari advanced settings and toggle a flag. Assuming that’s how it will be enabled (and in perpetuity), I can’t see people doing that in the general case either and this the effectiveness of this feature is questionable. I think everyone in this thread assumes they can deploy PWAs in a generally available way that support push notifications over the web, if you have to go into safari settings (as in, the settings app) then people are not likely to enable it and the this you can’t use them generally. What I’m saying is: either this is easy to use for users, and it will be abused; or it’s hard for users and the actual usefulness of the feature is dubious.
- endisneigh 4y ago
  > For now, I’m not sure how that will be though, if it’s anything like adding a calendar then it’s just hitting “yes” on a prompt. It’s a safari flag in the advanced settings. I’ll never understand why people aren’t for more options. Why constrain yourself?
  - dijit 4y ago
    > It’s a safari flag in the advanced settings. 1) that’s how betas are 2) you should read the last part of my comment where I discuss the usability aspect if that’s the case in future 3) are you sure that wouldn’t change? I would expect at some point it becomes opt-out because of #2.
    - endisneigh 4y ago
      There’s no point of speculating about hypotheticals. It’s been a flag since 15.3. It’s for power users only just like some of the WebRTC flags. Literally if you don’t want it then you don’t have to do anything.
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      - dijit 4y ago
        What’s new now then? Surely its either not new and thus not noteworthy, as you imply, or it’s a new feature with a somewhat uncertain future for us mere mortals to fully know.
        endisneigh 4y ago
        It’s the same feature. They stubbed out the flag and will be implemented in 2023, accessible via opt in via the same flag that already exists today. It’s not news worthy, which is why you have to scroll all the way down in a random list of new features to even find it. What is news worthy is the date, not the functionality.

dijit 4y ago

> It’s literally opt-in. For now, I’m not sure how that will be though, if it’s anything like adding a calendar then it’s just hitting “yes” on a prompt. > Given that this will be relegated to a small niche at best. How many apps on your phone want to send notifications? > Most people aren’t going to go into Safari advanced settings and toggle a flag. Assuming that’s how it will be enabled (and in perpetuity), I can’t see people doing that in the general case either and this the effectiveness of this feature is questionable. I think everyone in this thread assumes they can deploy PWAs in a generally available way that support push notifications over the web, if you have to go into safari settings (as in, the settings app) then people are not likely to enable it and the this you can’t use them generally. What I’m saying is: either this is easy to use for users, and it will be abused; or it’s hard for users and the actual usefulness of the feature is dubious.

endisneigh 4y ago
> For now, I’m not sure how that will be though, if it’s anything like adding a calendar then it’s just hitting “yes” on a prompt. It’s a safari flag in the advanced settings. I’ll never understand why people aren’t for more options. Why constrain yourself?
- dijit 4y ago
  > It’s a safari flag in the advanced settings. 1) that’s how betas are 2) you should read the last part of my comment where I discuss the usability aspect if that’s the case in future 3) are you sure that wouldn’t change? I would expect at some point it becomes opt-out because of #2.
  - endisneigh 4y ago
    There’s no point of speculating about hypotheticals. It’s been a flag since 15.3. It’s for power users only just like some of the WebRTC flags. Literally if you don’t want it then you don’t have to do anything.
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - dijit 4y ago
      What’s new now then? Surely its either not new and thus not noteworthy, as you imply, or it’s a new feature with a somewhat uncertain future for us mere mortals to fully know.
      - endisneigh 4y ago
        It’s the same feature. They stubbed out the flag and will be implemented in 2023, accessible via opt in via the same flag that already exists today. It’s not news worthy, which is why you have to scroll all the way down in a random list of new features to even find it. What is news worthy is the date, not the functionality.