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You’re describing your results on an Intel Mac. They aren’t relevant to this particular bit of the discussion. And, owning two different M1 laptops, I concur th

You’re describing your results on an Intel Mac. They aren’t relevant to this particular bit of the discussion. And, owning two different M1 laptops, I concur that the relationship between the RAM and SSD and M1 SoC yields fundamentally different results from prior hardware. The result is stunning.

pxmpxm 4y ago
What relationship would that be? The DDR4x ram in the M1 can hit 70gb/sec, compared to 7gb/sec and ~3.5gb/sec average for the NVME. There's no amount of magic to get around those facts.
- stouset 4y ago
  I'm a professional systems programmer. I agree with everything you're saying, in principle. Except I have two M1 MacBook Pros (one 16GB, one 64GB). I frankly don't notice the difference between the two on any workload. This involves compiling multiple projects, running multiple docker containers locally in virtual machines, running VS Code, Slack, Chrome, and other productivity tools. These machines frankly feel like alien fucking technology and I don't say that lightly. I'm used to year-over-year improvements being almost unnoticeable. These machines feel like I've jumped ten or more years forward in performance and responsiveness. And they do so while barely generating heat. My previous Intel MBP would make my home office hot just by being in a Zoom call. When I first got my M1 MBP, I left it running all night performing a SIMD-heavy pure math workload pegging every core at 100%. Not only was it faster, but the room wasn't even perceptibly warmer than ambient. I have a gaming PC next to my work area. Zen 9 3950X, GeForce 3080, 64GB of DDR-4000 RAM, and Samsung 980 Pro SSDs. The fans go blazing and I start sweating just booting Windows. And unless I'm doing something in VR, it performs comparably to the MacBook Pro. I barely turn the damn thing on these days. Alien technology.
  - shitlord 4y ago
    The RTX 3080 is a massive power hog. All that energy has to be dissipated somehow. It's really impressive what Apple has managed to do with the M1 and M2 chips. If an Apple M chip ever offers comparable performance on AAA games, I'll get rid of my desktop computer.
    - arvinsim 4y ago
      The problem with Apple and games is less about hardware and a lot more about software. I doubt that AAA game devs would develop for the MacOS/Metal platform anytime soon.
cassianoleal 4y ago
I assume you are responding to pxmpxm's comment. :)
asdff 4y ago
What does the OS do if the application demands more than 8gb of memory? I have use cases in the 14gb memory range for a single threaded application. Would the application crash since its not built to anticipate swapping?

pxmpxm 4y ago

What relationship would that be? The DDR4x ram in the M1 can hit 70gb/sec, compared to 7gb/sec and ~3.5gb/sec average for the NVME. There's no amount of magic to get around those facts.

stouset 4y ago
I'm a professional systems programmer. I agree with everything you're saying, in principle. Except I have two M1 MacBook Pros (one 16GB, one 64GB). I frankly don't notice the difference between the two on any workload. This involves compiling multiple projects, running multiple docker containers locally in virtual machines, running VS Code, Slack, Chrome, and other productivity tools. These machines frankly feel like alien fucking technology and I don't say that lightly. I'm used to year-over-year improvements being almost unnoticeable. These machines feel like I've jumped ten or more years forward in performance and responsiveness. And they do so while barely generating heat. My previous Intel MBP would make my home office hot just by being in a Zoom call. When I first got my M1 MBP, I left it running all night performing a SIMD-heavy pure math workload pegging every core at 100%. Not only was it faster, but the room wasn't even perceptibly warmer than ambient. I have a gaming PC next to my work area. Zen 9 3950X, GeForce 3080, 64GB of DDR-4000 RAM, and Samsung 980 Pro SSDs. The fans go blazing and I start sweating just booting Windows. And unless I'm doing something in VR, it performs comparably to the MacBook Pro. I barely turn the damn thing on these days. Alien technology.
- shitlord 4y ago
  The RTX 3080 is a massive power hog. All that energy has to be dissipated somehow. It's really impressive what Apple has managed to do with the M1 and M2 chips. If an Apple M chip ever offers comparable performance on AAA games, I'll get rid of my desktop computer.
  - arvinsim 4y ago
    The problem with Apple and games is less about hardware and a lot more about software. I doubt that AAA game devs would develop for the MacOS/Metal platform anytime soon.

cassianoleal 4y ago

I assume you are responding to pxmpxm's comment. :)

asdff 4y ago

What does the OS do if the application demands more than 8gb of memory? I have use cases in the 14gb memory range for a single threaded application. Would the application crash since its not built to anticipate swapping?