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There are no "roundabout morals" here. This man told 110,000 of his employees to return to the office or find another job, during a still-surging pandemic. Thi

There are no "roundabout morals" here. This man told 110,000 of his employees to return to the office or find another job, during a still-surging pandemic. This is immoral and reckless from any angle. If his net worth is reduced, it will reduce the impact of his actions on people and the environment. We all share this planet. It is not a free-for-all stomping grounds for the highest paid capitalists.

leobg 4y ago
Whoever supplies your news. I hope they pay your health insurance. I don’t know where you live or what goes on around you. But people are probably not as evil or greedy as you think. Though if you believe the headlines, everybody probably should be hanged, and the planet would be better off without all of us. It’s almost funny that this philosophy sells as well as it does. People rather will the “nothing” than give up willing, said Nietzsche. Like the kids in kindergarten rather destroying the toy than letting the other have it. I believe it’s not greed we need to look out for. It’s envy. The ability to not waste your time focusing on things you hate, and to rather apply your intelligence and your humanness where it mashes a difference, and does good for others. Though that’s a lot more difficult than passing judgement. Especially when there is an entire industry supplying you with bite sized pieces that allow you to pass judgment, around the world, across social boundaries, and from the comfort of your bathroom even. Make you feel all special and important... while they FEAST on your SOUL.
- _haoa 4y ago
  > Though if you believe the headlines, everybody probably should be hanged, and the planet would be better off without all of us. Resentment for the wealthy/elite is not a new concept, nor is it being "fed" to anyone with half a brain. [0] I am a mild to moderate anti-capitalist; some may mischaracterize this as envy, greed, or hate. It's important to point out flaws (and by association, pass judgement) in people and systems; that is how we make them better! [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eat_the_rich_(slogan) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eat_the_rich_(slogan)
  - leobg 4y ago
    I'm all for making things better. But isn't what you describe precisely what Musk did himself? He passed judgement on companies like GM, for instance when they killed the EV1. But he did one step further, and actually started his own company. One that works according to those rules he thinks make more sense. I mean, even if you disagree with the rules he has come up with... wouldn't you at least have to respect that he did something about it? Isn't that, in a sense, an encouragement for your own values, also? Because it shows you that you, too, can make a difference? And that, even if you don't do it, people with ideas generally do have a chance of rising to the top, where their ideas can have an impact? If we were talking about some dude who inherited all of his wealth and power from his parents, it would be a different thing.

leobg 4y ago

Whoever supplies your news. I hope they pay your health insurance. I don’t know where you live or what goes on around you. But people are probably not as evil or greedy as you think. Though if you believe the headlines, everybody probably should be hanged, and the planet would be better off without all of us. It’s almost funny that this philosophy sells as well as it does. People rather will the “nothing” than give up willing, said Nietzsche. Like the kids in kindergarten rather destroying the toy than letting the other have it. I believe it’s not greed we need to look out for. It’s envy. The ability to not waste your time focusing on things you hate, and to rather apply your intelligence and your humanness where it mashes a difference, and does good for others. Though that’s a lot more difficult than passing judgement. Especially when there is an entire industry supplying you with bite sized pieces that allow you to pass judgment, around the world, across social boundaries, and from the comfort of your bathroom even. Make you feel all special and important... while they FEAST on your SOUL.

_haoa 4y ago
> Though if you believe the headlines, everybody probably should be hanged, and the planet would be better off without all of us. Resentment for the wealthy/elite is not a new concept, nor is it being "fed" to anyone with half a brain. [0] I am a mild to moderate anti-capitalist; some may mischaracterize this as envy, greed, or hate. It's important to point out flaws (and by association, pass judgement) in people and systems; that is how we make them better! [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eat_the_rich_(slogan) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eat_the_rich_(slogan)
- leobg 4y ago
  I'm all for making things better. But isn't what you describe precisely what Musk did himself? He passed judgement on companies like GM, for instance when they killed the EV1. But he did one step further, and actually started his own company. One that works according to those rules he thinks make more sense. I mean, even if you disagree with the rules he has come up with... wouldn't you at least have to respect that he did something about it? Isn't that, in a sense, an encouragement for your own values, also? Because it shows you that you, too, can make a difference? And that, even if you don't do it, people with ideas generally do have a chance of rising to the top, where their ideas can have an impact? If we were talking about some dude who inherited all of his wealth and power from his parents, it would be a different thing.