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I hoped the notch would be just an experiment and Apple would get rid of it the next iteration. It seems I was wrong. It looks so weird to have your top menu ba

I hoped the notch would be just an experiment and Apple would get rid of it the next iteration. It seems I was wrong. It looks so weird to have your top menu bar split in two, I really don’t get why it is necessary.

sgarman 4y ago
I have a launch day MBP16" and I haven't noticed the notch a single day so far. I just have more screen space now. Does it really bother you in your day to day?
- dgellow 4y ago
  I do not have an M1 laptop, so I cannot answer your question.
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luluthefirst 4y ago
For people undecided because of the notch, it might not look as clean on photographs but in practice, macOS knows that it's there and they did a good job in order to avoid displaying anything behind it. It's empty space, and the whole row goes completely black in most fullscreen cases too as the screen is 16:10 BELOW the menu bar. You forget it as easily as you forget that you have a nose right in the middle of your vision.
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- piyh 4y ago
  I have a quest 2 that I burned sunspots into that resulted in blotches of pixels stuck on yellow. I use my headset for hours at a time and never notice them unless brought to an all black loading screen, and even then it's not a guarantee. The brain is crazy good at filling in blindspots.
grishka 4y ago
The notch doesn't get in the way in daily use as much as it would seem. Look at it this way: without the notch, that area would've been useless black glass. But with the notch, the menu bar doesn't eat into the continuous part of the screen yet remains fully functional, effectively giving you more usable screen area.
throwaway378037 4y ago
Honestly haven’t noticed the notch on my MacBook Pro in months until reading this comment. It really does disappear after a little while
jonfw 4y ago
I'm currently sitting at my notchless-MBP noting how there is not a single thing in the middle of my menu bar and there never has been. I can't think of a single reason I wouldn't want a notch in exchange for smaller bezels. Especially given the aspect ratio of a Mac is taller such that it doesn't interrupt typical video or photo content
- WesolyKubeczek 4y ago
  Somehow Dell XPS can do thin bezels without having to resort to a notch.
  - jonfw 4y ago
    My XPS (not a brand new one, not sure if this has changed) has a really weird webcam location to get the thin bezel, it's right next to they keyboard There are always tradeoffs, and I find the notch to be a trade-off with no real loss. Especially on a Mac where the hardware/software integration is tight enough that the notch never poses an issue. I could see a notch on a windows/linux laptop being a more significant problem given that the OS may not be designed to work around the notch so seamlessly
    - WesolyKubeczek 4y ago
      I had a 9360 which had a “nose cam”, but two iterations later they did it right. 16:10 display, camera in the right place, ultra thin bezels and no notch. I also need to mention that this thing is light. Lighter than an iPad pro, lighter than any MBAir. (But I’m still getting the MBAir, because it’s fanless. Fanless still beats no notch.)
tannhaeuser 4y ago
I've read all the arguments pro-notch, that you won't notice, and that it doesn't take up screen real estate, and so on. But still, the design compromise bothers me; hiding a camera such that the aesthetic geometry isn't distorted feels wrong and fake, and something not here to stay for long, just as you say. Why not implement a mechanical flip-out camera holder? Helps with perceived big brother effect, too. Btw, is the mandatory touch bar thingy back? That would be a step back in my book.
- selfhoster69 4y ago
  > Btw, is the mandatory touch bar thingy back? That would be a step back in my book. It is not. The Touch Bar 13" MBP was updated with the new M2 chip but kept the old design.
emadabdulrahim 4y ago
I use pure black as my wallpaper of choice and I forgot I have a notch on my m1 MBP.
jffry 4y ago
> I really don’t get why it is necessary. This pushes menu and status bars up into the bezel area at the top of your laptop's lid, leaving more room in the primary 16x10 display area for apps and things. It's free real estate, why not have menus go up there?
snypox 4y ago
Hm, I haven’t even noticed the notch in the past 7 months on mine.

sgarman 4y ago

I have a launch day MBP16" and I haven't noticed the notch a single day so far. I just have more screen space now. Does it really bother you in your day to day?

dgellow 4y ago
I do not have an M1 laptop, so I cannot answer your question.
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luluthefirst 4y ago

For people undecided because of the notch, it might not look as clean on photographs but in practice, macOS knows that it's there and they did a good job in order to avoid displaying anything behind it. It's empty space, and the whole row goes completely black in most fullscreen cases too as the screen is 16:10 BELOW the menu bar. You forget it as easily as you forget that you have a nose right in the middle of your vision.

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piyh 4y ago
I have a quest 2 that I burned sunspots into that resulted in blotches of pixels stuck on yellow. I use my headset for hours at a time and never notice them unless brought to an all black loading screen, and even then it's not a guarantee. The brain is crazy good at filling in blindspots.

grishka 4y ago

The notch doesn't get in the way in daily use as much as it would seem. Look at it this way: without the notch, that area would've been useless black glass. But with the notch, the menu bar doesn't eat into the continuous part of the screen yet remains fully functional, effectively giving you more usable screen area.

throwaway378037 4y ago

Honestly haven’t noticed the notch on my MacBook Pro in months until reading this comment. It really does disappear after a little while

jonfw 4y ago

I'm currently sitting at my notchless-MBP noting how there is not a single thing in the middle of my menu bar and there never has been. I can't think of a single reason I wouldn't want a notch in exchange for smaller bezels. Especially given the aspect ratio of a Mac is taller such that it doesn't interrupt typical video or photo content

WesolyKubeczek 4y ago
Somehow Dell XPS can do thin bezels without having to resort to a notch.
- jonfw 4y ago
  My XPS (not a brand new one, not sure if this has changed) has a really weird webcam location to get the thin bezel, it's right next to they keyboard There are always tradeoffs, and I find the notch to be a trade-off with no real loss. Especially on a Mac where the hardware/software integration is tight enough that the notch never poses an issue. I could see a notch on a windows/linux laptop being a more significant problem given that the OS may not be designed to work around the notch so seamlessly
  - WesolyKubeczek 4y ago
    I had a 9360 which had a “nose cam”, but two iterations later they did it right. 16:10 display, camera in the right place, ultra thin bezels and no notch. I also need to mention that this thing is light. Lighter than an iPad pro, lighter than any MBAir. (But I’m still getting the MBAir, because it’s fanless. Fanless still beats no notch.)

tannhaeuser 4y ago

I've read all the arguments pro-notch, that you won't notice, and that it doesn't take up screen real estate, and so on. But still, the design compromise bothers me; hiding a camera such that the aesthetic geometry isn't distorted feels wrong and fake, and something not here to stay for long, just as you say. Why not implement a mechanical flip-out camera holder? Helps with perceived big brother effect, too. Btw, is the mandatory touch bar thingy back? That would be a step back in my book.

selfhoster69 4y ago
> Btw, is the mandatory touch bar thingy back? That would be a step back in my book. It is not. The Touch Bar 13" MBP was updated with the new M2 chip but kept the old design.

emadabdulrahim 4y ago

I use pure black as my wallpaper of choice and I forgot I have a notch on my m1 MBP.

jffry 4y ago

> I really don’t get why it is necessary. This pushes menu and status bars up into the bezel area at the top of your laptop's lid, leaving more room in the primary 16x10 display area for apps and things. It's free real estate, why not have menus go up there?

snypox 4y ago

Hm, I haven’t even noticed the notch in the past 7 months on mine.