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It's a lot faster and of higher quality now. Those numbers do not reflect the speed of the ram, the speed of the memory, the quality of the screen, or the perfo

It's a lot faster and of higher quality now. Those numbers do not reflect the speed of the ram, the speed of the memory, the quality of the screen, or the performance of the CPU

grumpyprole 4y ago
Yes it's made with iPhone/iPad parts instead of PC parts :)
- bitwize 4y ago
  In other words, they're made with parts from best-of-breed computing devices, superior to janky-ass PC parts :)
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    ...just don't compare GPU benchmarks. Or any SIMD operations, for that matter.
mmmmmbop 4y ago
In addition to that, today's 2000 GBP are more comparable to 1600 GBP in 2012 due to inflation.
- trenchgun 4y ago
  Also, software bloat means that the old macbook can't do shit with today's software.
  - brailsafe 4y ago
    Sure it can
  - asdff 4y ago
    Currently using a 2012 macbook pro, with a 512gb ssd, and 16gb sticks. It's more than enough power for I'd say 99% of what people use computers for (ms office, adobe suite, some cad, light dev work, etc.) These days its not hard to call upon compute from the heavens priced by the second should you need more horsepower.
  - girvo 4y ago
    My spinning-rust 24” iMac from 2011 mostly manages to trundle along with Linux Mint on it for my partner to use. LibreOffice and Firefox for web browsing, mostly. Anything more than that and it chokes. Too many tabs, it chokes. Too many software updates, woo boy does she choke. That poor machine!
    - gshubert17 4y ago
      I replaced the HD on my 2009 24" iMac with an SSD some years ago and upped it from 4GB to 8GB. A great performance boost. Old OS but it still works well for me.
      - girvo 4y ago
        I'd love to do the 4GB to 8GB upgrade too, though I've no idea how feasible it even is to find RAM that old in 2022!
brailsafe 4y ago
Ya but it's the same amount. Wew my files load marginally faster, but I can only have 5 of them for the same money that I used to be able to have 10. That's like telling someone who can't get a new van with similar features for the same price to instead get a one wheel
- ppeetteerr 4y ago
  It really doesn't matter what the underlying hardware is. If it responds to your input quicker, then it's a better product (remember how slow it was to fill that memory in the first place and then save your changes to disk?). That's not to forget the improvements in network speeds, the screen, the speakers, the battery life, the webcam, etc.
  - brailsafe 4y ago
    I actually disagree, but I take your point. A better product needs to make a real difference for the price. Right now, 16gb of ram costs $250 (cad) more than base model. 512gb ssd costs $250 more than base model. The likelihood I'd ever see those gains, compared to the likelihood I'd be able to use more storage, is wildly different. The product as a whole is better, but the individual upgrades you'd be absolutely limited by cost much more than they should. For example, a 1TB ~5GB/s read/write capable NVMe SSD off-the-shelf can be had for under $200. That's just a bit ridiculous. I'm not going to get the same utility between those two examples for the ~$4-500 price difference. If I did have endless money, or my regular work was heavily IO bound, then it wouldn't change anything, except I'd be much more willing to ignore how much it costs.

It's a lot faster and of higher quality now. Those numbers do not reflect the speed of the ram, the speed of the memory, the quality of the screen, or the performance of the CPU

grumpyprole 4y ago

Yes it's made with iPhone/iPad parts instead of PC parts :)

bitwize 4y ago
In other words, they're made with parts from best-of-breed computing devices, superior to janky-ass PC parts :)
- smoldesu 4y ago
  ...just don't compare GPU benchmarks. Or any SIMD operations, for that matter.

mmmmmbop 4y ago

In addition to that, today's 2000 GBP are more comparable to 1600 GBP in 2012 due to inflation.

trenchgun 4y ago
Also, software bloat means that the old macbook can't do shit with today's software.
- brailsafe 4y ago
  Sure it can
- asdff 4y ago
  Currently using a 2012 macbook pro, with a 512gb ssd, and 16gb sticks. It's more than enough power for I'd say 99% of what people use computers for (ms office, adobe suite, some cad, light dev work, etc.) These days its not hard to call upon compute from the heavens priced by the second should you need more horsepower.
- girvo 4y ago
  My spinning-rust 24” iMac from 2011 mostly manages to trundle along with Linux Mint on it for my partner to use. LibreOffice and Firefox for web browsing, mostly. Anything more than that and it chokes. Too many tabs, it chokes. Too many software updates, woo boy does she choke. That poor machine!
  - gshubert17 4y ago
    I replaced the HD on my 2009 24" iMac with an SSD some years ago and upped it from 4GB to 8GB. A great performance boost. Old OS but it still works well for me.
    - girvo 4y ago
      I'd love to do the 4GB to 8GB upgrade too, though I've no idea how feasible it even is to find RAM that old in 2022!

brailsafe 4y ago

Ya but it's the same amount. Wew my files load marginally faster, but I can only have 5 of them for the same money that I used to be able to have 10. That's like telling someone who can't get a new van with similar features for the same price to instead get a one wheel

ppeetteerr 4y ago
It really doesn't matter what the underlying hardware is. If it responds to your input quicker, then it's a better product (remember how slow it was to fill that memory in the first place and then save your changes to disk?). That's not to forget the improvements in network speeds, the screen, the speakers, the battery life, the webcam, etc.
- brailsafe 4y ago
  I actually disagree, but I take your point. A better product needs to make a real difference for the price. Right now, 16gb of ram costs $250 (cad) more than base model. 512gb ssd costs $250 more than base model. The likelihood I'd ever see those gains, compared to the likelihood I'd be able to use more storage, is wildly different. The product as a whole is better, but the individual upgrades you'd be absolutely limited by cost much more than they should. For example, a 1TB ~5GB/s read/write capable NVMe SSD off-the-shelf can be had for under $200. That's just a bit ridiculous. I'm not going to get the same utility between those two examples for the ~$4-500 price difference. If I did have endless money, or my regular work was heavily IO bound, then it wouldn't change anything, except I'd be much more willing to ignore how much it costs.