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Creating products that you can't easily repair or upgrade? Creating a vicious upgrade cycle? Hmmm...

haswell 4y ago
Upgrade-ability and repair-ability are important topics, and do impact how environmentally friendly a device can be considered to be, but this is unrelated to the core of the topic at hand. The contention was that "They should have said it's less bad instead of saying it's better". That is what I was responding to. You've introduced a different topic, that is tangentially related, but not directly relevant to a discussion about framing things. It'd be relevant in a discussion about the absolute environmental friendliness of the device, but that's another discussion entirely.
onetom 4y ago
I'm still using a 2017 MacBook Pro, though I have an M1 Mac Mini. I had 2 second-hand 27" iMacs too, from 2011 and 2013. I gave the 2011 one away, because I couldn't upgrade it anymore, but it is still used for audio/video editing. The 2013 one has some issues with its hard-drive and I'm planning to upgrade it to an SSD. It's still a pretty capable machine, though I would probably put Linux on it, since the macOS upgrades for that are discontinued too. The display panels are "just" 2K in them, but still super sharp, though a bit dusty inside... They are better than most cheaper external monitors I saw ppl using for everyday work... I think a decade of runtime for Macs is not that uncommon. 2 decades would be even better, but I wouldn't call it a "vicious upgrade cycle"... I mean, I'm still on an iPhone Xs Max and before that I had an iPhone 7 Pro and I have no intention of upgrading, despite the back-glass being cracked on it. and not because I can't afford it, but because I won't really utilize the extra power of the latest versions.
- seabriez 4y ago
  Yeah, same. Tho my PC, I pretty much upgrade everything, and keep using older components. Now I know it's not 100% green, but with an old PC you can literally grind it to the ground by using it as an old storage device, linux box, or ad blocker. My original PC case I've literally been using it for 20 years now, it's crazy it still works/fits all the hardware in there perfectly, and that's probably the biggest component.

Upgrade-ability and repair-ability are important topics, and do impact how environmentally friendly a device can be considered to be, but this is unrelated to the core of the topic at hand. The contention was that "They should have said it's less bad instead of saying it's better". That is what I was responding to. You've introduced a different topic, that is tangentially related, but not directly relevant to a discussion about framing things. It'd be relevant in a discussion about the absolute environmental friendliness of the device, but that's another discussion entirely.

onetom 4y ago

I'm still using a 2017 MacBook Pro, though I have an M1 Mac Mini. I had 2 second-hand 27" iMacs too, from 2011 and 2013. I gave the 2011 one away, because I couldn't upgrade it anymore, but it is still used for audio/video editing. The 2013 one has some issues with its hard-drive and I'm planning to upgrade it to an SSD. It's still a pretty capable machine, though I would probably put Linux on it, since the macOS upgrades for that are discontinued too. The display panels are "just" 2K in them, but still super sharp, though a bit dusty inside... They are better than most cheaper external monitors I saw ppl using for everyday work... I think a decade of runtime for Macs is not that uncommon. 2 decades would be even better, but I wouldn't call it a "vicious upgrade cycle"... I mean, I'm still on an iPhone Xs Max and before that I had an iPhone 7 Pro and I have no intention of upgrading, despite the back-glass being cracked on it. and not because I can't afford it, but because I won't really utilize the extra power of the latest versions.

seabriez 4y ago
Yeah, same. Tho my PC, I pretty much upgrade everything, and keep using older components. Now I know it's not 100% green, but with an old PC you can literally grind it to the ground by using it as an old storage device, linux box, or ad blocker. My original PC case I've literally been using it for 20 years now, it's crazy it still works/fits all the hardware in there perfectly, and that's probably the biggest component.