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Can you maybe explain what you mean here? I can hardly understand your point about Intel, and don't seem to get what you are implying about "marketing-ese". Th

Can you maybe explain what you mean here? I can hardly understand your point about Intel, and don't seem to get what you are implying about "marketing-ese". The M1 is a spectacular chip. The M2 seems like a fine iteration.

hu3 4y ago
They mean Apple's advantage is in good part due to their anti-competitive practice of buying TSMC's entire 5nm production. Leaving none for others like AMD which had to compete on 7nm for the longest time. Same will happen for 3nm if nothing changes. Whatever your opinion may be about Apple/AMD/Intel. Unfair competition is not good for consumers in the long run. edit: instantly downvoted. As per tradition in Apple related posts on HN when faced with facts.
- geraneum 4y ago
  The fact is, Intel is not using TSMC (yet) for their high-end CPUs that compete with Apple. Their stagnation has nothing to do with Apple monopolizing the fab's capacity. Since they [Intel] were on Macs before Apple Silicon, they are being used for direct comparisons.
- 988747 4y ago
  What's anti-competitive about that? Apple doesn't even make their own chips, they need outside vendor for that. AMD and Intel are free to offer TSMC even more money, if they want.
  - hu3 4y ago
    You think AMD's 200 billion market cap stands a chance against Apple's 2.3 trillion market cap? Consumers only stand to lose in the long run. Including Apple consumers.
    - 988747 4y ago
      As far as I know TSMC is building a new factory in Arizona right now, and one more in Taiwan. That was largely financed by Apple's money, and is a huge win for consumers who will benefit from the most advanced chip manufacturing capabilities for the years to come.
      - hu3 4y ago
        > financed by Apple's money > huge win for consumers doubt
- yakubin 4y ago
  That buying however much of whatever from a single company can be read as "anti-competitive" reflects more on the market, which relies on a single company for its fundamentals, than the buyer. To me it seems that the problem is not that Apple bought however much of whatever from TSMC, but rather that TSMC doesn't have competition at the moment. Hopefully that changes. (I do think HN is a bit trigger-happy with downvotes lately. I don't often get downvoted, but sometimes people who reply to me with a different view do, and so they get grayed out and drop in the comments. I used to try to counter that, but my one vote doesn't work for very long, so I mostly gave up. But it's really annoying.)
  - hu3 4y ago
    Agree. Chip production is such an important aspect of economy these days. It baffles me that US still couldn't come up with a TSMC-like factory yet. I get that it's really hard. Like rocket-science hard. But still. Maybe Musk can start something in the sector.
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hu3 4y ago

They mean Apple's advantage is in good part due to their anti-competitive practice of buying TSMC's entire 5nm production. Leaving none for others like AMD which had to compete on 7nm for the longest time. Same will happen for 3nm if nothing changes. Whatever your opinion may be about Apple/AMD/Intel. Unfair competition is not good for consumers in the long run. edit: instantly downvoted. As per tradition in Apple related posts on HN when faced with facts.

geraneum 4y ago
The fact is, Intel is not using TSMC (yet) for their high-end CPUs that compete with Apple. Their stagnation has nothing to do with Apple monopolizing the fab's capacity. Since they [Intel] were on Macs before Apple Silicon, they are being used for direct comparisons.
988747 4y ago
What's anti-competitive about that? Apple doesn't even make their own chips, they need outside vendor for that. AMD and Intel are free to offer TSMC even more money, if they want.
- hu3 4y ago
  You think AMD's 200 billion market cap stands a chance against Apple's 2.3 trillion market cap? Consumers only stand to lose in the long run. Including Apple consumers.
  - 988747 4y ago
    As far as I know TSMC is building a new factory in Arizona right now, and one more in Taiwan. That was largely financed by Apple's money, and is a huge win for consumers who will benefit from the most advanced chip manufacturing capabilities for the years to come.
    - hu3 4y ago
      > financed by Apple's money > huge win for consumers doubt
yakubin 4y ago
That buying however much of whatever from a single company can be read as "anti-competitive" reflects more on the market, which relies on a single company for its fundamentals, than the buyer. To me it seems that the problem is not that Apple bought however much of whatever from TSMC, but rather that TSMC doesn't have competition at the moment. Hopefully that changes. (I do think HN is a bit trigger-happy with downvotes lately. I don't often get downvoted, but sometimes people who reply to me with a different view do, and so they get grayed out and drop in the comments. I used to try to counter that, but my one vote doesn't work for very long, so I mostly gave up. But it's really annoying.)
- hu3 4y ago
  Agree. Chip production is such an important aspect of economy these days. It baffles me that US still couldn't come up with a TSMC-like factory yet. I get that it's really hard. Like rocket-science hard. But still. Maybe Musk can start something in the sector.
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