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>So if we are not to sell pets, does that mean we need to give birth to them ourselves? 200 years ago it would sound like a valid issue about slaves. Today it

>So if we are not to sell pets, does that mean we need to give birth to them ourselves? 200 years ago it would sound like a valid issue about slaves. Today it sound like absurd. As long as you are boxed inside the "owning" paradigm, your issues sound valid and arguments are sound. Yet, once the paradigm shift in people minds happens - from "owning" to "coexistence" - the issues and the arguments would become either moot or absurd.

sliverstorm 15y ago
So in the coexistence model, how would things work? I'm genuinely curious how you see things functioning.
- VladRussian 15y ago
  lets suppose there is an alien race present in the neighborhood of the Solar system that's technologically and mentally superior to human race. Applying our current human standards it would be natural if the aliens apply the "owning" paradigm toward humans - we'd make such a funny, easily trainable pets! They would control our population through neutering and mass euthanizing as to them it would sure look like we aren't able to manage it on our own. They would keep us "inside" as otherwise we can go outside and hurt ourselves (if we brought to other planets) or start a brawl or even war among ourselves if we left to our devices on Earth. Lets suppose that after some time the aliens would notice that humans are also intelligent beings, with intelligence that would seem to the aliens as much inferior, yet still intelligence, and these rough sounds produced by humans is actually a meaningful, though as would seem to the aliens very primitive, communication. And if the aliens would try to imagine changing "owning" to "coexistence" model they would naturally ask each other the question "So in the coexistence model, how would things work? I'm genuinely curious how you see things functioning." Would you have anything to say to the aliens in response to such a question? :) [Note: the obvious elephant in the room of the human/animals relationship - meat eating - will be addressed in a few decades by synthetic meat which by superceding natural meat in energetic efficiency and biological fitness for human body would make eating natural meat a stupid disgusting obsolete habit like smoking. Note to the note : i'm not a vegetarian and quit smoking 10+ years ago]

sliverstorm 15y ago

So in the coexistence model, how would things work? I'm genuinely curious how you see things functioning.

VladRussian 15y ago
lets suppose there is an alien race present in the neighborhood of the Solar system that's technologically and mentally superior to human race. Applying our current human standards it would be natural if the aliens apply the "owning" paradigm toward humans - we'd make such a funny, easily trainable pets! They would control our population through neutering and mass euthanizing as to them it would sure look like we aren't able to manage it on our own. They would keep us "inside" as otherwise we can go outside and hurt ourselves (if we brought to other planets) or start a brawl or even war among ourselves if we left to our devices on Earth. Lets suppose that after some time the aliens would notice that humans are also intelligent beings, with intelligence that would seem to the aliens as much inferior, yet still intelligence, and these rough sounds produced by humans is actually a meaningful, though as would seem to the aliens very primitive, communication. And if the aliens would try to imagine changing "owning" to "coexistence" model they would naturally ask each other the question "So in the coexistence model, how would things work? I'm genuinely curious how you see things functioning." Would you have anything to say to the aliens in response to such a question? :) [Note: the obvious elephant in the room of the human/animals relationship - meat eating - will be addressed in a few decades by synthetic meat which by superceding natural meat in energetic efficiency and biological fitness for human body would make eating natural meat a stupid disgusting obsolete habit like smoking. Note to the note : i'm not a vegetarian and quit smoking 10+ years ago]