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For those of us who aren't westerners and are familiar with the divide-and-rule tactics of the superpowers since colonial times, it is clear that the US and UK

For those of us who aren't westerners and are familiar with the divide-and-rule tactics of the superpowers since colonial times, it is clear that the US and UK are the most vocal advocate of prolonging and escalating the war in Ukraine. This tactic makes sense as the more the war drags on, the more it is a drain on Russia and it also strengthens the perception that Europe needs NATO (thereby effectively killing criticisms against the need for NATO or any idea of an "EU army" without US). The forming of another union in Europe by UK will also strengthens the UK / US hand as it would mean more geographic isolation of Russia from Europe, and itwould mean even if France and Germany wanted to improve their economic ties with Russia, they would still have to go through the UK / US. All the superpowers are only looking at the advantage they can gain here. Russia will not stop till it achieves its geostrategic aims in Ukraine to contain NATO goals against it. And the US and UK will make sure that Russia bleeds as much as possible during this process. The reality is that nobody gives a damn about Ukraine.

watwut 4y ago
> For those of us who aren't westerners I have notice trend of non-westeners to treat Ukrainians, Eastern Europeans and Central Europeans as disposable. Neither opinions nor interests of those matter to you. I have noticed that you are quickest to spread Russian lies. The whole region is just potential resource to you, these countries nor people in them matter to you. In your worldview, the whole region should put up and shut up so that you can blame countries you dislike for ... to avoid blaming country like Russia. > are familiar with the divide-and-rule tactics of the superpowers since colonial times For those of us who know who pushes for what, Poland and Estonia are much stronger pushing then US and UK. The strongest one however, is Ukraine itself. It is not true that UK would be particularly strong. Besides, colonial times are still here - Russia is the colonial power as it was majority of its history. Divide what? Who exactly is being divided here? Countries who were occupied by Russia are divided from former occupier who would like to occupy them again? Yes, this war shows Europe in fact needs NATO and in particular needs US in NATO. Russia can be stopped and must be stopped. Russians are not gods, they are just violent autocratic regime they always were. > geostrategic aims in Ukraine to contain NATO goals against it. This part is a lie, simply. Even Russia stopped using this talking point. There is enough rhetoric from Russia about Ukraine not being real state or real nation. They would not need to kill al those Ukrainians, would not need to replace Ukrainian language, teachers and books. Anything but puppet state, any democratic reforms in Ukraine are treated as threat to Russia. Just like democratic reforms in Belarus would be treated as threat. The NATO itself is threat only as far as it prevents Russia to invade. > And the US and UK will make sure that Russia bleeds as much as possible during this process. The reality is that nobody gives a damn about Ukraine. You do not care about them, that is for sure. You would give them to Russia, so that they can finish the genocide there - again. US do actually helps Ukraine more then your lies.
- webmobdev 4y ago
  > The whole region is just potential resource to you, these countries nor people in them matter to you. Yes, that is exactly how the superpowers view you and us (India). That is why good politicians ensure that their country doesn't get caught in the ambitions and competitions of these superpowers. (That is why India and other like minded countries started the Non-Aligned Movement - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement ). Ukraine is an ideal candidate for NAM because the world powers have geostrategic interest in them. But unfortunately Ukraine's shitty and selfish politicians lack experience or vision - one sought to side with the Russian and the other decided to side with the west. Both have placed their own selfish and partisan political interest over that of their country. That is why the rest of the world doesn't really respect them and views them both as puppets of either side. This is important to understand - if Ukranian politicians are viewed as puppets of Russia or the west and seek some help from other nations, every nation has to necessarily think twice or thrice on whether this is being asked on behalf of Ukraine or the respective puppet-master (Russia or US / UK). Remember, most nations don't want to get dragged between the super powers. This is why Ukraine has been suffering with political turmoil for more than a decade now. Genuine support for Ukraine will only pour in when Ukraine has serious politicians that care more about their country than their own political interests - not when one Ukrainian leader is camped with Russia and another with NATO. That is a problem Ukraine has to solve. If your own politicians don't talk to each other, you are a nation divided. > Divide what? Who exactly is being divided here? Divide and rule is an old colonial political practice of weakening your opponent by creating divisions in them so that they get bogged down fighting each other. In India, for example, the British tried to keep us from uniting politically against them by pitting Hindus against muslims or upper caste against lower castes (i.e. they sought to widen the political divisions in our society). Gandhi's greatest success was in preventing this and uniting us despite our divisions. In modern times, the US and allies use their economic and military might to create situations so that potential rivals do not unite and become stronger - like pitting Saudi Arabia against Iran or Israel against the Arabs in the middle-east or pitting India, Pakistan, China, Russia, Japan, Korea in Asia, or pitting the countries in South America or Africa. To a lesser extent (lesser because the US needs them) this also happens in Europe by pitting France, Germany, UK but for now it is more focused on pitting Europe against Russia. If the US and UK manage to create another bloc in Europe comprising of central european and Balkan countries, it would really weaken EU too (that would imply there are serious differences between Germany and France vs UK and US on how to deal with the Russians).

watwut 4y ago

> For those of us who aren't westerners I have notice trend of non-westeners to treat Ukrainians, Eastern Europeans and Central Europeans as disposable. Neither opinions nor interests of those matter to you. I have noticed that you are quickest to spread Russian lies. The whole region is just potential resource to you, these countries nor people in them matter to you. In your worldview, the whole region should put up and shut up so that you can blame countries you dislike for ... to avoid blaming country like Russia. > are familiar with the divide-and-rule tactics of the superpowers since colonial times For those of us who know who pushes for what, Poland and Estonia are much stronger pushing then US and UK. The strongest one however, is Ukraine itself. It is not true that UK would be particularly strong. Besides, colonial times are still here - Russia is the colonial power as it was majority of its history. Divide what? Who exactly is being divided here? Countries who were occupied by Russia are divided from former occupier who would like to occupy them again? Yes, this war shows Europe in fact needs NATO and in particular needs US in NATO. Russia can be stopped and must be stopped. Russians are not gods, they are just violent autocratic regime they always were. > geostrategic aims in Ukraine to contain NATO goals against it. This part is a lie, simply. Even Russia stopped using this talking point. There is enough rhetoric from Russia about Ukraine not being real state or real nation. They would not need to kill al those Ukrainians, would not need to replace Ukrainian language, teachers and books. Anything but puppet state, any democratic reforms in Ukraine are treated as threat to Russia. Just like democratic reforms in Belarus would be treated as threat. The NATO itself is threat only as far as it prevents Russia to invade. > And the US and UK will make sure that Russia bleeds as much as possible during this process. The reality is that nobody gives a damn about Ukraine. You do not care about them, that is for sure. You would give them to Russia, so that they can finish the genocide there - again. US do actually helps Ukraine more then your lies.

webmobdev 4y ago
> The whole region is just potential resource to you, these countries nor people in them matter to you. Yes, that is exactly how the superpowers view you and us (India). That is why good politicians ensure that their country doesn't get caught in the ambitions and competitions of these superpowers. (That is why India and other like minded countries started the Non-Aligned Movement - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement ). Ukraine is an ideal candidate for NAM because the world powers have geostrategic interest in them. But unfortunately Ukraine's shitty and selfish politicians lack experience or vision - one sought to side with the Russian and the other decided to side with the west. Both have placed their own selfish and partisan political interest over that of their country. That is why the rest of the world doesn't really respect them and views them both as puppets of either side. This is important to understand - if Ukranian politicians are viewed as puppets of Russia or the west and seek some help from other nations, every nation has to necessarily think twice or thrice on whether this is being asked on behalf of Ukraine or the respective puppet-master (Russia or US / UK). Remember, most nations don't want to get dragged between the super powers. This is why Ukraine has been suffering with political turmoil for more than a decade now. Genuine support for Ukraine will only pour in when Ukraine has serious politicians that care more about their country than their own political interests - not when one Ukrainian leader is camped with Russia and another with NATO. That is a problem Ukraine has to solve. If your own politicians don't talk to each other, you are a nation divided. > Divide what? Who exactly is being divided here? Divide and rule is an old colonial political practice of weakening your opponent by creating divisions in them so that they get bogged down fighting each other. In India, for example, the British tried to keep us from uniting politically against them by pitting Hindus against muslims or upper caste against lower castes (i.e. they sought to widen the political divisions in our society). Gandhi's greatest success was in preventing this and uniting us despite our divisions. In modern times, the US and allies use their economic and military might to create situations so that potential rivals do not unite and become stronger - like pitting Saudi Arabia against Iran or Israel against the Arabs in the middle-east or pitting India, Pakistan, China, Russia, Japan, Korea in Asia, or pitting the countries in South America or Africa. To a lesser extent (lesser because the US needs them) this also happens in Europe by pitting France, Germany, UK but for now it is more focused on pitting Europe against Russia. If the US and UK manage to create another bloc in Europe comprising of central european and Balkan countries, it would really weaken EU too (that would imply there are serious differences between Germany and France vs UK and US on how to deal with the Russians).