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You are correct. I arrive at conclusions based on my life experiences and what I've learned along the way. We literally give industrial quantities of antibioti

You are correct. I arrive at conclusions based on my life experiences and what I've learned along the way. We literally give industrial quantities of antibiotics to animals. So antibiotic preservation is not an honest reason to lock them up Tylenol and Advil can very quickly mess up your kid's liver and kidneys if you misdose. Yet, they're over the counter. So safety does not appear to be an honest reason either. Ironically, statistically considering the forum, most ppl who are against me on this thread believe in drug liberalization including opiates; the one class for drugs I would keep behind the pharmacist's counter. Btw, antibiotics are available over the counter in Europe. The ones Id use and feel comfortable using

Wowfunhappy 4y ago
> We literally give industrial quantities of antibiotics to animals. So antibiotic preservation is not an honest reason to lock them up We desperately need to stop doing that too, but at least it optimizes for bacteria that infects animals rather than humans. I don't think you (and most other people) are anywhere near scared enough of returning to a world without antibiotics.
- hp48fan 4y ago
  "optimizes for bacteria that infects animals rather than humans." But then there is horizontal gene transfer. The world has a lot to be scared of. Ive had an easy life, save for one or two experiences that have dwindled what truly frightens me a lot: - Dying after my kids (unless my kids have a tremendous disability. Then my fear is reversed) - Facing God, if He exists. If He doesn't, the nothingness of space. Pain was on the list, but a bone marrow biopsy knocked it off. A world without modern antibiotics doesn't scare me. Much anyway.
scoopertrooper 4y ago
> Btw, antibiotics are available over the counter in Europe. The ones Id use and feel comfortable using What are you talking about? > Over-the-counter (OTC) sales of antibiotics is forbidden by law in all countries, but it is allowed for some specific formulations (creams in Norway and Denmark or eye drops in the UK) https://www.escmid.org/escmid_publications/escmid_elibrary/material/?mid=48979 https://www.escmid.org/escmid_publications/escmid_elibrary/m...
- hp48fan 4y ago
  You're right; since I last visited Greece they've tightened their antibiotic policy (2020).

Wowfunhappy 4y ago

> We literally give industrial quantities of antibiotics to animals. So antibiotic preservation is not an honest reason to lock them up We desperately need to stop doing that too, but at least it optimizes for bacteria that infects animals rather than humans. I don't think you (and most other people) are anywhere near scared enough of returning to a world without antibiotics.

hp48fan 4y ago
"optimizes for bacteria that infects animals rather than humans." But then there is horizontal gene transfer. The world has a lot to be scared of. Ive had an easy life, save for one or two experiences that have dwindled what truly frightens me a lot: - Dying after my kids (unless my kids have a tremendous disability. Then my fear is reversed) - Facing God, if He exists. If He doesn't, the nothingness of space. Pain was on the list, but a bone marrow biopsy knocked it off. A world without modern antibiotics doesn't scare me. Much anyway.

scoopertrooper 4y ago

> Btw, antibiotics are available over the counter in Europe. The ones Id use and feel comfortable using What are you talking about? > Over-the-counter (OTC) sales of antibiotics is forbidden by law in all countries, but it is allowed for some specific formulations (creams in Norway and Denmark or eye drops in the UK) https://www.escmid.org/escmid_publications/escmid_elibrary/material/?mid=48979 https://www.escmid.org/escmid_publications/escmid_elibrary/m...

hp48fan 4y ago
You're right; since I last visited Greece they've tightened their antibiotic policy (2020).