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Yandex is a great alternative to Google, btw, provided you're not searching for something the Kremlin has an interest in distorting. They don't censor results

Yandex is a great alternative to Google, btw, provided you're not searching for something the Kremlin has an interest in distorting. They don't censor results for western sensibilities the way Google does. For example, if I search for a certain wrongthink blog I'm not supposed to be reading, google gives me literally 10 pages of results (I checked, out of curiosity) pertaining to a movie that shares its name--none relevant to the blog. Then when I tack on one additional specifier term (like part of the domain name, or the word "blog"), google magically relents and shows me the relevant results, as if to say, "ok, I'll let you search for that naughty thing, if you're 100% sure that's what you really want." Thanks, Google! By contrast, if you search the blog by name with Yandex (and DDG), it's on the first page. Also, Yandex never nerfed the facial recognition features of their image search like Google, Bing, and the rest did. (I assume they did this because women complained it made it too easy to find their old nudes.) Anyway, Yandex is good competition, and while not so much a complete alternative to Google, it's definitely a useful adjunct to it, and it's popular on /g/ for that reason.

pvg 4y ago
What is the blog search that Google is supposedly so censorious about?
usrn 4y ago
idk. I get results in Russian pretty often (I can't read Russian.) Also they gave me an m.wikipedia link today which was pretty annoying.
- 88888888889 4y ago
  True, it often comes across as if non-Russian speakers are an afterthought to them. I wish they did more to appeal to the 'westerners miffed by western search engine censorship' demo.
marcinzm 4y ago
>Yandex is a great alternative to Google, btw, provided you're not searching for something the Kremlin has an interest in distorting. You mean like any topics related to a political election in your country? Russia has a vested interest in helping politicians get elected in other countries that help it's interests over those of others. Given the current internal state of Russia (even pre-invasion) it's unlikely that the interests of Russia even close to align with the interests of the people of those countries. Other nations do the exact same thing but we're talking specifically about Yandex here. Personally I care more about the large scale political future of my country than I do about whatever random social issue Google is going after that has minimal impact on me.
tablespoon 4y ago
> For example, if I search for a certain wrongthink blog I'm not supposed to be reading, google gives me literally 10 pages of results (I checked, out of curiosity) pertaining to a movie that shares its name--none relevant to the blog. What's the blog? Google is actually generally terrible in cases like this. Any popular pop culture thing will totally drown out anything with the same name, even the original. Try searching for "fallout shelter" - the entire first page is about an old phone game. There are a couple non-game links on page 2, almost all are still about the video game for pages and pages.
- 88888888889 4y ago
  > What's the blog? Since you're the second person who asked: iSteve. > Google is actually generally terrible in cases like this. Any popular pop culture thing will totally drown out anything with the same name, even the original. Try searching for "fallout shelter" - the entire first page is about an old phone game. There are a couple non-game links on page 2, almost all are still about the video game for pages and pages. No, this is pretty obviously deliberate on their part. When I discovered this a few months back after searching "isteve," and surprised not to find it on the front page, and the results instead being dominated by some 2013 FunnyOrDie parody doc about Steve Jobs, I literally went through page, after page, after page of results, to see how far down it would be, yet none of the pages contained any links to the blog. If it had been on the second or third page, I wouldn't have been so suspicious. Meanwhile, Yandex, DDG, and even (I checked just now) Bing all have results for it on the first page when you search "isteve". Google's keyword suggestion feature is also telling: google "isteve", then add in a " b" or " u," and you get zero suggestions (presumably because people are searching "isteve blog" or "isteve unz").
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    > No, this is pretty obviously deliberate on their part. I'm not so sure about that. Because 1) this phenomenon seems to be present on non-political topics, and 2) other, even more right-wing figures are still easily findable on Google (including links to their own websites). That raises the question, why this guy and not the others? Heck, it not even this guy, just this term, since the blog in question is the fourth result for "steve sailer" and even autocompletes. I think it's a very reasonable theory that the same phenomenon as I found with "fallout shelter," is at play here but the difference is your "iSteve" blog doesn't have the relative popularity to peek through even a little bit over the pop culture thing (v.s. fallout shelters, which is a topic with a significant popularity, even if it's far less popular than the video game). > Meanwhile, Yandex, DDG, and even (I checked just now) Bing all have results for it on the first page when you search "isteve". It's quite plausible the reason for that is because their algorithm is different, and not so biased towards popularity as Google's (perhaps because they don't rely so much on click-stream data to determine what people want to see). Google search has gotten really terrible in recent years, especially if you're looking for something a little off the beaten path in situations like this, and I think the exact reason is an over-reliance on click-stream/popularity data.

pvg 4y ago

What is the blog search that Google is supposedly so censorious about?

usrn 4y ago

idk. I get results in Russian pretty often (I can't read Russian.) Also they gave me an m.wikipedia link today which was pretty annoying.

88888888889 4y ago
True, it often comes across as if non-Russian speakers are an afterthought to them. I wish they did more to appeal to the 'westerners miffed by western search engine censorship' demo.

marcinzm 4y ago

>Yandex is a great alternative to Google, btw, provided you're not searching for something the Kremlin has an interest in distorting. You mean like any topics related to a political election in your country? Russia has a vested interest in helping politicians get elected in other countries that help it's interests over those of others. Given the current internal state of Russia (even pre-invasion) it's unlikely that the interests of Russia even close to align with the interests of the people of those countries. Other nations do the exact same thing but we're talking specifically about Yandex here. Personally I care more about the large scale political future of my country than I do about whatever random social issue Google is going after that has minimal impact on me.

tablespoon 4y ago

> For example, if I search for a certain wrongthink blog I'm not supposed to be reading, google gives me literally 10 pages of results (I checked, out of curiosity) pertaining to a movie that shares its name--none relevant to the blog. What's the blog? Google is actually generally terrible in cases like this. Any popular pop culture thing will totally drown out anything with the same name, even the original. Try searching for "fallout shelter" - the entire first page is about an old phone game. There are a couple non-game links on page 2, almost all are still about the video game for pages and pages.

88888888889 4y ago
> What's the blog? Since you're the second person who asked: iSteve. > Google is actually generally terrible in cases like this. Any popular pop culture thing will totally drown out anything with the same name, even the original. Try searching for "fallout shelter" - the entire first page is about an old phone game. There are a couple non-game links on page 2, almost all are still about the video game for pages and pages. No, this is pretty obviously deliberate on their part. When I discovered this a few months back after searching "isteve," and surprised not to find it on the front page, and the results instead being dominated by some 2013 FunnyOrDie parody doc about Steve Jobs, I literally went through page, after page, after page of results, to see how far down it would be, yet none of the pages contained any links to the blog. If it had been on the second or third page, I wouldn't have been so suspicious. Meanwhile, Yandex, DDG, and even (I checked just now) Bing all have results for it on the first page when you search "isteve". Google's keyword suggestion feature is also telling: google "isteve", then add in a " b" or " u," and you get zero suggestions (presumably because people are searching "isteve blog" or "isteve unz").
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > No, this is pretty obviously deliberate on their part. I'm not so sure about that. Because 1) this phenomenon seems to be present on non-political topics, and 2) other, even more right-wing figures are still easily findable on Google (including links to their own websites). That raises the question, why this guy and not the others? Heck, it not even this guy, just this term, since the blog in question is the fourth result for "steve sailer" and even autocompletes. I think it's a very reasonable theory that the same phenomenon as I found with "fallout shelter," is at play here but the difference is your "iSteve" blog doesn't have the relative popularity to peek through even a little bit over the pop culture thing (v.s. fallout shelters, which is a topic with a significant popularity, even if it's far less popular than the video game). > Meanwhile, Yandex, DDG, and even (I checked just now) Bing all have results for it on the first page when you search "isteve". It's quite plausible the reason for that is because their algorithm is different, and not so biased towards popularity as Google's (perhaps because they don't rely so much on click-stream data to determine what people want to see). Google search has gotten really terrible in recent years, especially if you're looking for something a little off the beaten path in situations like this, and I think the exact reason is an over-reliance on click-stream/popularity data.