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"The only way the graph doesn’t tell us anything about heat is if we intentionally separate it from any context or larger system of knowledge." That's nonsense
by native_samples 4y ago
"The only way the graph doesn’t tell us anything about heat is if we intentionally separate it from any context or larger system of knowledge."
That's nonsense. Temperature isn't a direct function of CO2 in the atmosphere. Even climatologists don't believe it's that simple. That's why there's so much debate about the true value of ECS, that's why they spent much of the 2010s trying to explain the pause in global warming by reference to heat absorption of the oceans, etc (they since changed the mind and now argue that they were simply failing to correctly measure temperatures for decades, which is even worse).
The false belief that climate = CO2 levels is one of the things that creates skepticism about climatology, because anyone who bothers to check the actual facts instead of relying on "high school level chemistry" will immediately see that it's false. Moreover if it were actually that simple then there'd be no need to worry because if you simply map CO2 level increases to temperature increases then you don't get anything even close to a doomsday scenario. All the "we need to reach net zero yesterday" type claims are predicated on hypothetical and quite complicated feedback loops that involve far more than just a straight mapping of temperature=CO2 levels.
- snowwrestler 4y agoYou originally said the graph doesn’t tell us anything about heat. Now you’re arguing that it doesn’t tell us everything about heat. Which is obviously correct; but not what you started out with. Edit: I see now that you’re not the person I replied to, sorry. I agree with you that one CO2 graph is not the whole story. It’s a big piece, though.
- native_samples 4y agoIt might be, but it's also possible that the larger body of context or knowledge is flawed in some way. Not so much the core physics of CO2 but the scalings of things. For instance some climatologists believe that natural cycles dominate anything done by humans. That isn't something you can prove or disprove from simply looking at a graph of CO2 and temperature together.