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How does being a russophobe protect you from Russian tanks at home? Central Europe is circa 100M people, just get yourself a real competitive army (not NATO) -

How does being a russophobe protect you from Russian tanks at home? Central Europe is circa 100M people, just get yourself a real competitive army (not NATO) - that will protect you from Russian tanks at home. Then you can normalize relations with Russia. Which does not like you very much either, by the way.

watwut 4y ago
> How does being a russophobe protect you from Russian tanks at home? The Russophobia displays by sending support to Ukraine and pushing for EU independence from Russian exports. It also manifests by trying to keep your country less influenced by Russia. So, quite a lot, actually. It does a lot more then appeasement. > Central Europe is circa 100M people, just get yourself a real competitive army (not NATO) - that will protect you from Russian tanks at home. Central Europe is already member of NATO, which is even better. NATO has also United States in it, which would be even more useful in case of attack. Even now, Americans are the ones giving out the most needed arms to Ukraine. > Then you can normalize relations with Russia. That is up to Russia to normalize relations. They are the expansive aggressor praising Stalin legacy. Once they stop trying to export their corruption, violence and authoritarianism, relationships can normalize.
- thriftwy 4y ago
  I'm still unconvinced that it protects them from Russian tanks at home. Having an army would do. Not having an army and angering Russia at the same time, not so sure...
  - watwut 4y ago
    You cant be member of NATO without having the army. It is literally one of conditions. NATO itself does not have an army, it is literally composition of nation states armies. > Not having an army and angering Russia at the same time, not so sure.. Lol, trying to blame victims. Russia is angry when other countries don't act like their puppet states. Don't pretend someone is going out of way to antagonize Russia, this is not true. What is going on is that Russia is ruthless and don't care.
    - thriftwy 4y ago
      You don't have to be a victim if you have good army. NATO is something which may or may not come to your aid, especially as it is afraid of nuclear war. But if you had a healthy regional Central European army you could stop being victim and have peer relations with Russia. Like Turkey.
      - watwut 4y ago
        You genuinely don't know what NATO is nor how it works. Nevertheless, central European countries are members of NATO and were for years. Turkey is member of NATO too. They are the ones trying to block Sweden entry. They want to use situation to oppress Kurds better - Turkey is not exactly role model. > you could stop being victim and have peer relations with Russia. What exactly you mean by peer relationship with Russia? Help them to destroy Ukraine in exchange for gas and oil?
        thriftwy 4y ago
        Peer relationship with Russia is when you are no longer motivated by ressentment towards Russia but only by your goals, which you may freely choose, starting from division of other countries for fun and profit, and towards the noble goals of peace and justice; but not being motivated by Russian tanks at home. Of all countries, Turkey lost a huge amount of stuff to Russia. They could have endless ressentment towards Russia if they wanted. But they may allow themself to not want that, since they have stuff to do and means to do that.
        watwut 4y ago
        That seems like state of majority of countries, until Russia devolved back to its soviet state. That relationship is quite easily possible inside NATO, you don't worry about Russian tanks. Which is why Finland is seeking NATO membership - so that they can do politics without worrying about pleasing Russia.
        thriftwy 4y ago

watwut 4y ago

> How does being a russophobe protect you from Russian tanks at home? The Russophobia displays by sending support to Ukraine and pushing for EU independence from Russian exports. It also manifests by trying to keep your country less influenced by Russia. So, quite a lot, actually. It does a lot more then appeasement. > Central Europe is circa 100M people, just get yourself a real competitive army (not NATO) - that will protect you from Russian tanks at home. Central Europe is already member of NATO, which is even better. NATO has also United States in it, which would be even more useful in case of attack. Even now, Americans are the ones giving out the most needed arms to Ukraine. > Then you can normalize relations with Russia. That is up to Russia to normalize relations. They are the expansive aggressor praising Stalin legacy. Once they stop trying to export their corruption, violence and authoritarianism, relationships can normalize.

thriftwy 4y ago
I'm still unconvinced that it protects them from Russian tanks at home. Having an army would do. Not having an army and angering Russia at the same time, not so sure...
- watwut 4y ago
  You cant be member of NATO without having the army. It is literally one of conditions. NATO itself does not have an army, it is literally composition of nation states armies. > Not having an army and angering Russia at the same time, not so sure.. Lol, trying to blame victims. Russia is angry when other countries don't act like their puppet states. Don't pretend someone is going out of way to antagonize Russia, this is not true. What is going on is that Russia is ruthless and don't care.
  - thriftwy 4y ago
    You don't have to be a victim if you have good army. NATO is something which may or may not come to your aid, especially as it is afraid of nuclear war. But if you had a healthy regional Central European army you could stop being victim and have peer relations with Russia. Like Turkey.
    - watwut 4y ago
      You genuinely don't know what NATO is nor how it works. Nevertheless, central European countries are members of NATO and were for years. Turkey is member of NATO too. They are the ones trying to block Sweden entry. They want to use situation to oppress Kurds better - Turkey is not exactly role model. > you could stop being victim and have peer relations with Russia. What exactly you mean by peer relationship with Russia? Help them to destroy Ukraine in exchange for gas and oil?
      - thriftwy 4y ago
        Peer relationship with Russia is when you are no longer motivated by ressentment towards Russia but only by your goals, which you may freely choose, starting from division of other countries for fun and profit, and towards the noble goals of peace and justice; but not being motivated by Russian tanks at home. Of all countries, Turkey lost a huge amount of stuff to Russia. They could have endless ressentment towards Russia if they wanted. But they may allow themself to not want that, since they have stuff to do and means to do that.
        watwut 4y ago
        That seems like state of majority of countries, until Russia devolved back to its soviet state. That relationship is quite easily possible inside NATO, you don't worry about Russian tanks. Which is why Finland is seeking NATO membership - so that they can do politics without worrying about pleasing Russia.
        thriftwy 4y ago