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If anything, countries should stop fossil fuels as a matter of their own security. The Russia situation alone should be a wakeup call for Europe. E-bikes, elect

If anything, countries should stop fossil fuels as a matter of their own security. The Russia situation alone should be a wakeup call for Europe. E-bikes, electric cars, solar, electrified rail, and heat pump systems should be a top priority for every country for that reason alone.

guerrilla 4y ago
I agree but it's impossible. Right now, my electricity bill was 3x what it has been over the last few years for last month because of Russia and this is in the greenest country in the world (highest investment and generation per capita[1]). We are extremely fucking fucked. If we can't do it, you can't do it. We're ahead of you (the U.S.) by a factor of 4.3. If you try to do this, you will starve. Am I wrong? What's the plan? 1. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/renewable-electricity-per-capita https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/renewable-electricity-per...
- zip1234 4y ago
  As you point out, the status quo is very much not ideal. Being dependent on oil/gas means being part of a global commodity market and refusing to buy Russian oil does nothing as some other country will still buy it. My point is national security is enough reason alone to move off from oil and thus it should a matter of security for a country to do so.
  - guerrilla 4y ago
    > and refusing to buy Russian oil does nothing as some other country will still buy it Yeah I've been saying this for months but people refuse to get it. I can't even get people to the point where they'll rebut that Russian oil is at least discounted; they don't even admit the chain exists. > My point is national security is enough reason alone to move off from oil and thus it should a matter of security for a country to do so. Okay, fair enough and I agree.
    - jacquesm 4y ago
      Great discussion. This is indeed the heart of the problem, and I suspect we are going to collectively play ostrich until we are hit over the head with the consequences.

guerrilla 4y ago

I agree but it's impossible. Right now, my electricity bill was 3x what it has been over the last few years for last month because of Russia and this is in the greenest country in the world (highest investment and generation per capita[1]). We are extremely fucking fucked. If we can't do it, you can't do it. We're ahead of you (the U.S.) by a factor of 4.3. If you try to do this, you will starve. Am I wrong? What's the plan? 1. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/renewable-electricity-per-capita https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/renewable-electricity-per...

zip1234 4y ago
As you point out, the status quo is very much not ideal. Being dependent on oil/gas means being part of a global commodity market and refusing to buy Russian oil does nothing as some other country will still buy it. My point is national security is enough reason alone to move off from oil and thus it should a matter of security for a country to do so.
- guerrilla 4y ago
  > and refusing to buy Russian oil does nothing as some other country will still buy it Yeah I've been saying this for months but people refuse to get it. I can't even get people to the point where they'll rebut that Russian oil is at least discounted; they don't even admit the chain exists. > My point is national security is enough reason alone to move off from oil and thus it should a matter of security for a country to do so. Okay, fair enough and I agree.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    Great discussion. This is indeed the heart of the problem, and I suspect we are going to collectively play ostrich until we are hit over the head with the consequences.