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I used to admire him until probably a year ago and always liked him for saying what it is but recently I've had enough of him. I feel like he has no empathy for

I used to admire him until probably a year ago and always liked him for saying what it is but recently I've had enough of him. I feel like he has no empathy for people and he has no class anymore. Just look at the 10% layoff email he sent to Tesla employees and see if you can find any empathy in this email.

mlindner 4y ago
The much circulated email was the email sent to the executive team, not the employees. And the layoff isn't 10% of all workers. It was 10% of salaried workers, a much smaller amount. This goes exactly to the point of the person you responded to. The media blows up smaller news items into bigger ones for clickbait.
- sshine 4y ago
  > And the layoff isn't 10% of all workers. It was 10% of salaried workers, a much smaller amount. Could you clarify what the set complement of a salaried worker is?
  - rchaud 4y ago
    Salaried workers are office-based. Hourly workers are factory-based.
    - bmitc 4y ago
      That actually clarifies the whole circus Musk pulled. He announced that anyone not coming back to the office (which obviously does not apply to factory workers) is effectively tendering their resignation. Then Tesla announces just days later that a 10% layoff of salaried workers is going into place. This is typical Musk behavior in that he tries to control narratives by pre-empting them. By sending this email out and then announcing layoffs later, it sets the narrative that it's an employee problem, and not a Tesla or executive problem. From what I saw of some reports of Tesla employees, Tesla doesn't even have enough desks and parking spaces for everyone to come back to. Musk knew what he was doing.
- Hypocritelefty 4y ago
- bmitc 4y ago
  The hoops people will jump through for Musk is continually surprising.
  - halfmatthalfcat 4y ago
    These types of comments are equally as tiresome. We get it, you don't like Elon Musk and despise anyone making an argument to the contrary. Glad you could enshrine it in this comment that adds absolutely no value to the conversation.
    - bmitc 4y ago
      People who like Musk find them tiresome. I was just simply pointing out that it continues to be the case that no matter what Musk does, someone defends what he does and massages things to be viewed as less despicable. (For example, the original comment didn't even mention it was 10% of all workers, as directly implied by the comment I replied to.) Everything he does is in pure self-interest and with manipulation in mind. There is zero humility and zero honesty. How much of this manipulation does he and Tesla and the other bits of his endeavors have to do before people accept what he is? I'm also tired of people who should know better continuing to help form this little bubble around him while people who don't know better (young people and kids who look up to him) are adversely affected by this. > Glad you could enshrine it in this comment that adds absolutely no value to the conversation. These comments are equally as tiresome. You reply to a comment that apparently adds no value (not a sentiment I necessarily disagree with) with a comment that adds even less?
      - halfmatthalfcat 4y ago
        People searching for perfect allies are going to be constantly disappointed. Musk, for all his faults, has enabled some amazing things...all of which seems completely lost on rabid Musk haters. Life is a spectrum and living on either end is subscribing to a warped view of reality. > You reply to a comment that apparently adds no value (not a sentiment I necessarily disagree with) with a comment that adds even less? So this is going to be an argument of which comment(s) add less value? We already started very close to 0 with yours so can continue to ride the asymptote as far as our stamina allows.

mlindner 4y ago

The much circulated email was the email sent to the executive team, not the employees. And the layoff isn't 10% of all workers. It was 10% of salaried workers, a much smaller amount. This goes exactly to the point of the person you responded to. The media blows up smaller news items into bigger ones for clickbait.

sshine 4y ago
> And the layoff isn't 10% of all workers. It was 10% of salaried workers, a much smaller amount. Could you clarify what the set complement of a salaried worker is?
- rchaud 4y ago
  Salaried workers are office-based. Hourly workers are factory-based.
  - bmitc 4y ago
    That actually clarifies the whole circus Musk pulled. He announced that anyone not coming back to the office (which obviously does not apply to factory workers) is effectively tendering their resignation. Then Tesla announces just days later that a 10% layoff of salaried workers is going into place. This is typical Musk behavior in that he tries to control narratives by pre-empting them. By sending this email out and then announcing layoffs later, it sets the narrative that it's an employee problem, and not a Tesla or executive problem. From what I saw of some reports of Tesla employees, Tesla doesn't even have enough desks and parking spaces for everyone to come back to. Musk knew what he was doing.
Hypocritelefty 4y ago
bmitc 4y ago
The hoops people will jump through for Musk is continually surprising.
- halfmatthalfcat 4y ago
  These types of comments are equally as tiresome. We get it, you don't like Elon Musk and despise anyone making an argument to the contrary. Glad you could enshrine it in this comment that adds absolutely no value to the conversation.
  - bmitc 4y ago
    People who like Musk find them tiresome. I was just simply pointing out that it continues to be the case that no matter what Musk does, someone defends what he does and massages things to be viewed as less despicable. (For example, the original comment didn't even mention it was 10% of all workers, as directly implied by the comment I replied to.) Everything he does is in pure self-interest and with manipulation in mind. There is zero humility and zero honesty. How much of this manipulation does he and Tesla and the other bits of his endeavors have to do before people accept what he is? I'm also tired of people who should know better continuing to help form this little bubble around him while people who don't know better (young people and kids who look up to him) are adversely affected by this. > Glad you could enshrine it in this comment that adds absolutely no value to the conversation. These comments are equally as tiresome. You reply to a comment that apparently adds no value (not a sentiment I necessarily disagree with) with a comment that adds even less?
    - halfmatthalfcat 4y ago
      People searching for perfect allies are going to be constantly disappointed. Musk, for all his faults, has enabled some amazing things...all of which seems completely lost on rabid Musk haters. Life is a spectrum and living on either end is subscribing to a warped view of reality. > You reply to a comment that apparently adds no value (not a sentiment I necessarily disagree with) with a comment that adds even less? So this is going to be an argument of which comment(s) add less value? We already started very close to 0 with yours so can continue to ride the asymptote as far as our stamina allows.