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We stop extracting it and we're back in the 19th century. The whole economy runs on the stuff. From energy extraction to product development involving anythin

by starkd 4y ago

We stop extracting it and we're back in the 19th century. The whole economy runs on the stuff. From energy extraction to product development involving anything made of plastic. That's not going to change any time soon. That's the cold hard fact. We are already starting to see some of the consequences of scarcity of energy in farmers not being able to get enough fertilizer to grow the crops. The Ukraine crisis is largely about energy availability which could lead to 100 million people in Africa and elsewhere facing food shortages. These policy changes have consequences.

jacquesm 4y ago
If we don't stop extracting it we'll be back in the stone age at some point.
- starkd 4y ago
  I've been hearing that for the past 40 years in some form or other. How many times did we only have 10 years left? At some point, you have to question why you assume they are right when they have been wrong so many times. And who is profiting from your panic?
  - RalfWausE 4y ago
    Look out of the fucking window and you see, that climate change is happening RIGHT NOW. Look at India, look at Africa...
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    False alarms are false alarms until they're not. The evidence for climate change is so abundant that debate about whether it is happening or not is pointless, nobody was 'wrong so many times', we are pretty much on track for a pretty massive adjustment. The question isn't 'if' but 'when' and as far as I understand it the point at which we could have taken meaningful action is already past. Which is the way these things go: "we should do nothing because it is so far into the future", "we should do nothing because it is too expensive and affects our lifestyle too much and besides it doesn't affect us, but only our children", "we should do nothing because we're already past the point of no return". You are somewhere in the middle, and I'm already at the third stage but still believe we should do something because it might take the edge of. Sticking your head in the sand certainly isn't going to help.
  - timeon 4y ago
    As someone who is much younger I would like to say that you should have listened.

by starkd 4y ago

jacquesm 4y ago

If we don't stop extracting it we'll be back in the stone age at some point.

starkd 4y ago
I've been hearing that for the past 40 years in some form or other. How many times did we only have 10 years left? At some point, you have to question why you assume they are right when they have been wrong so many times. And who is profiting from your panic?
- RalfWausE 4y ago
  Look out of the fucking window and you see, that climate change is happening RIGHT NOW. Look at India, look at Africa...
- jacquesm 4y ago
  False alarms are false alarms until they're not. The evidence for climate change is so abundant that debate about whether it is happening or not is pointless, nobody was 'wrong so many times', we are pretty much on track for a pretty massive adjustment. The question isn't 'if' but 'when' and as far as I understand it the point at which we could have taken meaningful action is already past. Which is the way these things go: "we should do nothing because it is so far into the future", "we should do nothing because it is too expensive and affects our lifestyle too much and besides it doesn't affect us, but only our children", "we should do nothing because we're already past the point of no return". You are somewhere in the middle, and I'm already at the third stage but still believe we should do something because it might take the edge of. Sticking your head in the sand certainly isn't going to help.
- timeon 4y ago
  As someone who is much younger I would like to say that you should have listened.