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> 1. It's not personal, this is a systemic problem and no one is trying to punish or harm you. The aim is ultimately to prevent harm, not just to you but to you

> 1. It's not personal, this is a systemic problem and no one is trying to punish or harm you. The aim is ultimately to prevent harm, not just to you but to your whole community. This is the most tone deaf statement. If green policies make it harder for me to provide for my family, live our life as we see fit, or force me to do things I don't want to it is _very_ personal, like incredibly personal. There is no reason for you or anyone else to have any power over my life as a voter or a king, period.

suture 4y ago
I think your understanding of what a society means and entails is badly out of whack with reality. Living in a society entails curbs on “freedoms”. People in every society are subjected to the norms, ideals, and views of that society. These things change over time. Sometimes change is forced by external events and sometimes changes occur from within. Lots of people have power over you and power over your life today, right now. You are apparently comfortable with the ways and means of that control over your life and don’t want it to change but please don’t think that no one should have power over you.
LBJsPNS 4y ago
"force me to do things I don't want to" Yes, it's terrible. Were it not for that accursed law thar robs us of our liberty, I would murder you on the spot for such an asinine comment. Understand now partially what a society is about?
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triceratops 4y ago
> There is no reason for you or anyone else to have any power over my life as a voter Unless you have your own private air that never touches anyone else's air, we all have a right to control your actions that change our collective air. If you don't agree, go find your own planet and live there.
mola 4y ago
And what if non green policies now will make it harder to provide for your family tomorrow? Those arguing in good faith for green policies are thinking this. They are not out to get you, and take away your freedom. They fear all of our freedoms will be obliterated by the harsh realities of climate change.
mempko 4y ago
The only reason you think cars are a good thing and give you freedom and not say, busses and trains, is because cars are available to you and the infrastructure is available to you. Others who have fantastic public transport feel cars are restricting and expensive way to move around. You are simply a product of an environment you had no say in creating.
TomSwirly 4y ago

suture 4y ago

I think your understanding of what a society means and entails is badly out of whack with reality. Living in a society entails curbs on “freedoms”. People in every society are subjected to the norms, ideals, and views of that society. These things change over time. Sometimes change is forced by external events and sometimes changes occur from within. Lots of people have power over you and power over your life today, right now. You are apparently comfortable with the ways and means of that control over your life and don’t want it to change but please don’t think that no one should have power over you.

LBJsPNS 4y ago

"force me to do things I don't want to" Yes, it's terrible. Were it not for that accursed law thar robs us of our liberty, I would murder you on the spot for such an asinine comment. Understand now partially what a society is about?

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triceratops 4y ago

> There is no reason for you or anyone else to have any power over my life as a voter Unless you have your own private air that never touches anyone else's air, we all have a right to control your actions that change our collective air. If you don't agree, go find your own planet and live there.

mola 4y ago

And what if non green policies now will make it harder to provide for your family tomorrow? Those arguing in good faith for green policies are thinking this. They are not out to get you, and take away your freedom. They fear all of our freedoms will be obliterated by the harsh realities of climate change.

mempko 4y ago

The only reason you think cars are a good thing and give you freedom and not say, busses and trains, is because cars are available to you and the infrastructure is available to you. Others who have fantastic public transport feel cars are restricting and expensive way to move around. You are simply a product of an environment you had no say in creating.

TomSwirly 4y ago