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No one is going to literally take away anybody's car. They will increase the price of using one so much as to make it impossible for poor people to keep their c

by baisq 4y ago

No one is going to literally take away anybody's car. They will increase the price of using one so much as to make it impossible for poor people to keep their cars.

TurningCanadian 4y ago
The only fair price of using a car accounts for the price of removing its GHG emissions from the air. If operating a car costs less than that, then we are all indirectly subsidizing the use of cars, and we'd all be better off subsidizing the use of electric cars / public transport / etc. If using a car costs more than that, then we are unfairly targeting cars.
- xorcist 4y ago
  We are not only indirectly subsidizing cars, we are directly subsidizing it in several ways. It can be in the form of direct support of various activities of the petroleum industry, such as drilling, refinement and pipelines in the name of creating new jobs, but also in giant infrastructure projects reserved for cars, and legal requirements of square meter prices for car parking many orders of magnitude below market cost. It was the way post-war society was built up and will take a very long time to change. It's so entrenched that once you start seeing it, it is really everywhere.
triceratops 4y ago
Do you have so little faith in the free market? Do you really think no one is capable of coming up with a cheap enough car that is climate friendly, if they had to?
- swader999 4y ago
  E bike comes very close.
  - triceratops 4y ago
    Oh yeah e-bikes are amazing. I just wish they were cheaper.
    - swader999 4y ago
      They are if you build your own using a used bike. Check out ebikes.ca and https://endless-sphere.com/forums/ https://endless-sphere.com/forums/
wing-_-nuts 4y ago
We're only talking about pricing in the externalities that societies already pay for you. I favor a revenue neutral carbon tax. Increase the cost of fossil fuels and give it back as reduced income tax. Let the people find ways to 'dodge' this tax by reduced emissions. If you properly price an externality, the free market will help you deal with it.

by baisq 4y ago

No one is going to literally take away anybody's car. They will increase the price of using one so much as to make it impossible for poor people to keep their cars.

TurningCanadian 4y ago

The only fair price of using a car accounts for the price of removing its GHG emissions from the air. If operating a car costs less than that, then we are all indirectly subsidizing the use of cars, and we'd all be better off subsidizing the use of electric cars / public transport / etc. If using a car costs more than that, then we are unfairly targeting cars.

xorcist 4y ago
We are not only indirectly subsidizing cars, we are directly subsidizing it in several ways. It can be in the form of direct support of various activities of the petroleum industry, such as drilling, refinement and pipelines in the name of creating new jobs, but also in giant infrastructure projects reserved for cars, and legal requirements of square meter prices for car parking many orders of magnitude below market cost. It was the way post-war society was built up and will take a very long time to change. It's so entrenched that once you start seeing it, it is really everywhere.

triceratops 4y ago

Do you have so little faith in the free market? Do you really think no one is capable of coming up with a cheap enough car that is climate friendly, if they had to?

swader999 4y ago
E bike comes very close.
- triceratops 4y ago
  Oh yeah e-bikes are amazing. I just wish they were cheaper.
  - swader999 4y ago
    They are if you build your own using a used bike. Check out ebikes.ca and https://endless-sphere.com/forums/ https://endless-sphere.com/forums/

wing-_-nuts 4y ago

We're only talking about pricing in the externalities that societies already pay for you. I favor a revenue neutral carbon tax. Increase the cost of fossil fuels and give it back as reduced income tax. Let the people find ways to 'dodge' this tax by reduced emissions. If you properly price an externality, the free market will help you deal with it.