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>There is no climate benefit to opening a wind farm. The climate benefit comes when a wind farm causes a fossil fuel power plant to be shut down. Or when it pr

by cruano 4y ago

>There is no climate benefit to opening a wind farm. The climate benefit comes when a wind farm causes a fossil fuel power plant to be shut down. Or when it prevents a new fossil fuel power plant to open. No one is going to sell their old vehicles just because there's a greener version, but if all new vehicles are green you'll eventually phase down the old ones. You can't expect people to care overnight, much less to lose money because of it.

bluGill 4y ago
I looked close at replacing my current vehicles. A new EV minivan would cost more per month than gas in my wife's current van (which is paid for), but it won't last forever and the difference is not that much. Of course that assumes something that will work is available, in our case adjustable pedals a must (my wife is short) and nobody makes an EV minivan with them as far as I can tell. My truck is a little trickier. The F150 lightening would do everything I need a truck for, but I drive my truck so rarely (one fill up per year). too bad nobody will rent me a truck for what I want t truck for.
lozenge 4y ago
>Or when it prevents a new fossil fuel power plant to open. That's not a benefit, that's a loss averted. These claims are usually over egged as well for "net zero" calculations. Net zero against some hypothetical averted future, but in physical reality the emissions are still there heating the atmosphere. As an analogy, I can "prevent spending" by buying a coffee machine, bulk buying some products, etc. However, there are more ways to spend money than I can even notice, and I can pile up the "savings" but still find I have no money left at the end of a month to... actually deposit into my savings. I think it's a common experience. If production of fossil fuels is not decreased by regulation, then a drop in domestic demand means more is available to export. The export price goes down, encouraging the continued use of fossil fuels abroad. Another power plant is built over there and emits GHGs.

by cruano 4y ago

bluGill 4y ago

I looked close at replacing my current vehicles. A new EV minivan would cost more per month than gas in my wife's current van (which is paid for), but it won't last forever and the difference is not that much. Of course that assumes something that will work is available, in our case adjustable pedals a must (my wife is short) and nobody makes an EV minivan with them as far as I can tell. My truck is a little trickier. The F150 lightening would do everything I need a truck for, but I drive my truck so rarely (one fill up per year). too bad nobody will rent me a truck for what I want t truck for.

lozenge 4y ago

>Or when it prevents a new fossil fuel power plant to open. That's not a benefit, that's a loss averted. These claims are usually over egged as well for "net zero" calculations. Net zero against some hypothetical averted future, but in physical reality the emissions are still there heating the atmosphere. As an analogy, I can "prevent spending" by buying a coffee machine, bulk buying some products, etc. However, there are more ways to spend money than I can even notice, and I can pile up the "savings" but still find I have no money left at the end of a month to... actually deposit into my savings. I think it's a common experience. If production of fossil fuels is not decreased by regulation, then a drop in domestic demand means more is available to export. The export price goes down, encouraging the continued use of fossil fuels abroad. Another power plant is built over there and emits GHGs.