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Of course, it's done wonders over the past 100 years. Only the single worst CO2 emitter in the entire history of the world and the Democratic Party was in charg

Of course, it's done wonders over the past 100 years. Only the single worst CO2 emitter in the entire history of the world and the Democratic Party was in charge half of the time. Very effective.

tootie 4y ago
It wasn't a political issue for most of those years. There's no question who is being serious right now and who isn't. When voters torched Jimmy Carter, environmentalism went backwards for a long time. Obama and Biden have tried and been very marginally successful at reversing climate damage while Bush and Trump ran us backwards as fast as they could. Don't be obtuse there's an abundantly clear winner on this topic.
- trompetenaccoun 4y ago
  Of course. Apologies for being obtuse. Just... I don't know if you've ever looked at the data but can you explain why the emissions fell faster under both Bush and Trump than their Democratic successors? https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/united-states https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/united-states https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.PC?locations=US https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.PC?location... Going by the actual emissions, the decrease seems to be slowing when a Democratic candidate gets elected. Not to speak of Clinton under whom emissions actually increased, not decreased!
  - tootie 4y ago
    For recent history, CO2 drops correlate almost 1:1 with recessions. Trump was legitimately terrible on policy he was just in office during the most dramatic economic contraction in our history. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/climate/united-states-climate-ranking-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/climate/united-states-cli... Not to mention all the well-intentioned liberal policies like increase vehicle fuel efficiency standards or the Clean Power Plan that got reversed by Trump before they came into effect. We need a good 20 years of complete liberal control of 3 branches of government and we haven't gotten anywhere near that.

Of course, it's done wonders over the past 100 years. Only the single worst CO2 emitter in the entire history of the world and the Democratic Party was in charge half of the time. Very effective.

tootie 4y ago

It wasn't a political issue for most of those years. There's no question who is being serious right now and who isn't. When voters torched Jimmy Carter, environmentalism went backwards for a long time. Obama and Biden have tried and been very marginally successful at reversing climate damage while Bush and Trump ran us backwards as fast as they could. Don't be obtuse there's an abundantly clear winner on this topic.

trompetenaccoun 4y ago
Of course. Apologies for being obtuse. Just... I don't know if you've ever looked at the data but can you explain why the emissions fell faster under both Bush and Trump than their Democratic successors? https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/united-states https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/united-states https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.PC?locations=US https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.PC?location... Going by the actual emissions, the decrease seems to be slowing when a Democratic candidate gets elected. Not to speak of Clinton under whom emissions actually increased, not decreased!
- tootie 4y ago
  For recent history, CO2 drops correlate almost 1:1 with recessions. Trump was legitimately terrible on policy he was just in office during the most dramatic economic contraction in our history. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/climate/united-states-climate-ranking-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/climate/united-states-cli... Not to mention all the well-intentioned liberal policies like increase vehicle fuel efficiency standards or the Clean Power Plan that got reversed by Trump before they came into effect. We need a good 20 years of complete liberal control of 3 branches of government and we haven't gotten anywhere near that.