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i remember this from my time at school, some 25 years ago now, and it was extremely unhelpful to education as well... a lot of time spent explaining things lik

i remember this from my time at school, some 25 years ago now, and it was extremely unhelpful to education as well... a lot of time spent explaining things like "how do i do something where i would normally right click?" or that the power button is this weird thing on the keyboard without the universal symbol for a power button on it... once they got some wintel machines from RM, another company that pushed at education, all of that went away and the lessons started becoming genuinely educational.

samatman 4y ago
Looking at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_keyboards#Twentieth_Anniversary_Macintosh_Keyboard_(M3459) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_keyboards#Twentieth_Anni... I see models with a power button, clearly labeled with the ISO standard symbol for a power button, and models with no power button, because it moved back to the case (and used the ISO standard symbol on it). By the time I was 13 I had used mice on four different GUIs so I have trouble sympathizing with your difficulty. User interfaces aren't facts of nature, which is a great learning opportunity to have in school. But learning opportunities must be taken.
- JonathonW 4y ago
  Apple didn't use the IEC power symbol on their keyboards until the iMac-- prior keyboards used a left-pointing triangle on the power button. But most of these machines shipped in an era where there wasn't necessarily any standardization of how to turn the machine on in the PC-compatible world either-- the now-standard momentary electronic switch on the front of the case came with the ATX spec in 1995. Before that, you'd usually have a flip switch or latching power button somewhere on the case. (Macs were unusual for the era in having power on the keyboard from the ADB keyboard on.)
adolph 4y ago
Interesting, per ISO standard initiated by IEC: ⏻: "IEC 60417-5009, the standby symbol (line partially within a broken circle), indicates a sleep mode or low power state." [0,1] ⏼: "IEC 60417-5010, the power on-off symbol (line within a circle), is used on buttons that switch a device between on and fully off states." [0,2] Of note, the slightly different IEEE standard using these symbols was inactivated 2020-03-05.[3] Unicode lists both standards for the character definitions.[4] 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_symbol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_symbol 1. https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iec:grs:60417:5009 https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iec:grs:60417:5009 2. https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iec:grs:60417:5010 https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iec:grs:60417:5010 3. https://standards.ieee.org/ieee/1621/3344/ https://standards.ieee.org/ieee/1621/3344/ 4. https://unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2300.pdf https://unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2300.pdf 5. https://util.unicode.org/UnicodeJsps/character.jsp?a=23FB https://util.unicode.org/UnicodeJsps/character.jsp?a=23FB 6. https://util.unicode.org/UnicodeJsps/character.jsp?a=23FC https://util.unicode.org/UnicodeJsps/character.jsp?a=23FC

samatman 4y ago

Looking at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_keyboards#Twentieth_Anniversary_Macintosh_Keyboard_(M3459) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_keyboards#Twentieth_Anni... I see models with a power button, clearly labeled with the ISO standard symbol for a power button, and models with no power button, because it moved back to the case (and used the ISO standard symbol on it). By the time I was 13 I had used mice on four different GUIs so I have trouble sympathizing with your difficulty. User interfaces aren't facts of nature, which is a great learning opportunity to have in school. But learning opportunities must be taken.

JonathonW 4y ago
Apple didn't use the IEC power symbol on their keyboards until the iMac-- prior keyboards used a left-pointing triangle on the power button. But most of these machines shipped in an era where there wasn't necessarily any standardization of how to turn the machine on in the PC-compatible world either-- the now-standard momentary electronic switch on the front of the case came with the ATX spec in 1995. Before that, you'd usually have a flip switch or latching power button somewhere on the case. (Macs were unusual for the era in having power on the keyboard from the ADB keyboard on.)

adolph 4y ago

Interesting, per ISO standard initiated by IEC: ⏻: "IEC 60417-5009, the standby symbol (line partially within a broken circle), indicates a sleep mode or low power state." [0,1] ⏼: "IEC 60417-5010, the power on-off symbol (line within a circle), is used on buttons that switch a device between on and fully off states." [0,2] Of note, the slightly different IEEE standard using these symbols was inactivated 2020-03-05.[3] Unicode lists both standards for the character definitions.[4] 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_symbol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_symbol 1. https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iec:grs:60417:5009 https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iec:grs:60417:5009 2. https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iec:grs:60417:5010 https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iec:grs:60417:5010 3. https://standards.ieee.org/ieee/1621/3344/ https://standards.ieee.org/ieee/1621/3344/ 4. https://unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2300.pdf https://unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2300.pdf 5. https://util.unicode.org/UnicodeJsps/character.jsp?a=23FB https://util.unicode.org/UnicodeJsps/character.jsp?a=23FB 6. https://util.unicode.org/UnicodeJsps/character.jsp?a=23FC https://util.unicode.org/UnicodeJsps/character.jsp?a=23FC