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This is actually the second time this has happened. Guess the EU really hates Yandex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigran_Khudaverdyan https://en.wikipedia.org

This is actually the second time this has happened. Guess the EU really hates Yandex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigran_Khudaverdyan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigran_Khudaverdyan

bsnal 4y ago
Instead of hating Yandex, Google, etc they should focus on making the necessary changes so Europe can have their own Google.
- qwerty456127 4y ago
  Why would the world need another Google, European or whatever? I believe we don't need changes to make a new Google possible, we need changes to promote competition of many (much smaller) search engines, service/content aggregators, email services etc.
dgellow 4y ago
The EU doesn’t hate Russian companies. It is believed that Yandex manipulate their search result in a way to support Putin propaganda. You can read the EU decision if you want to understand their reasoning, it’s all public in their journal of records.
- severino 4y ago
  Well, the EU mandated that search engines manipulate their search results too. So I guess it's indeed that they dislike Yandex/Russia, not that they dislike biased search results.
  - DandyDev 4y ago
    Sources for this claim?
    - jdasdf 4y ago
      Would the notice they sent to google suffice? https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/26927483# https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/26927483# >From: <@ec.europa.eu> >Date: Fri, Mar 4, 2022, 6:57 PM >Subject: Ukraine >Dear Signatories, >I am sending you the below email on behalf of [redacted], in order to provide clarifications related to the sanctions, following up on questions received. (...) >Search engines such as Google are designed to index results containing any possible content; they index websites throughout the world; the information is indexed by their ‘web crawlers’ or robots, that is to say, computer programmes used to locate and sweep up the content of web pages methodically and automatically (see by analogy judgment of the ECJ in Google Spain, C‑131/12, para. 43). The activity of search engines plays a decisive role in the overall dissemination of content in that it renders the latter accessible to any internet user making a search on the basis of the content indication or related terms, including to internet users who otherwise would not have found the web page on which that content is published (see by analogy judgment of the ECJ in Google Spain, C‑131/12, para. 36). Consequently, if search engines such as Google did not delist RT and Sputnik, they would facilitate the public’s access to the content of RT and Sputnik, or contribute to such access. >It follows from the foregoing that by virtue of the Regulation, providers of Internet search services must make sure that i) any link to the Internet sites of RT and Sputnik and ii) any content of RT and Sputnik, including short textual descriptions, visual elements and links to the corresponding websites do not appear in the search results delivered to users located in the EU. Social media
    - severino 4y ago
      Just try to search "Russia Today" in Google, Bing, DDG, whatever, from inside the EU, and you'll see. Do you know what you'll get within the first results? Fox news, for example.
  - sofixa 4y ago
    No, they dislike official state propaganda which is blatantly and verifiably false, from an enemy, regardless of who promotes it. yes, Russia is an enemy of the EU, and it's entirely Russia's fault. In a sense it has always been an enemy for a few EU countries like Poland and the Baltics. Nonetheless, the EU, and some specific countries in it, tried to placate Russia for a very long time, hoping that the same thing achieved by the EU (peace and prosperity through very close economic integration) could be achieved with Russia. It's fully on the shoulders of Putin and his cronies that it didn't work out, but at least thanks to his misguided actions Germany and others can finally move to get rid of natural gas.
    - nix23 4y ago
      >enemy of the EU, and it's entirely Russia's fault. That's blindness to history and utter BS, please do your research and stop being so uneducated when spiting out such sentences. Damn, you have access to the world's knowledge, it's unacceptable being that uneducated and extremist.
      - sofixa 4y ago
        Oh please, I'm from Bulgaria, a nation split between Russophilia and Russophobia due to centuries of history with Russia. I'm a history nerd and have pretty decent knowledge around Eastern European history. What I'm saying is coming from a position of knowledge, history and geopolitics, not random "Russia bad guys communism" or whatever you think it is. If you're so certain in your version, go on, let's debate. How is Russia, in today's form, not an enemy of the EU through it's own choice?
        nix23 4y ago
        >How is Russia, in today's form, not an enemy of the EU through it's own choice? Why is it? Ukraine is not part of the EU, but the EU and it's big brother NATO aka US is threatening russia since years -> NATO east expansion. But hey instead of having good relations, you force Russia to make a pact with china. You know what happened last time the Warsaw-pact made a east expansion? Hint Kuba....but Russia has to accept it in Poland and Turkey (after all US=good Russia=bad). Thinking that Russia is the enemy of Europe will bring out two winners, China and the US, once more we got played. Not NATO nor Russia is the good guy here, and talking with words like "enemy" is exactly what's not needed now. What do you think happens when Russia has no other choices?
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- ajsnigrutin 4y ago
  So does youtube... mainstream media from select media houses always comes higher than any independent video producer, no matter the views count or like/dislike ratio.
  - vbezhenar 4y ago
    That's why youtube is on the edge of being blocked in Russia.
  - jen20 4y ago
    That is absolutely not my experience of YouTube, where every video I see on my feed is about retro tech. Not exactly “big media” material.
- JasserInicide 4y ago
  And funnily enough, Yandex is a great way to get a non-Western (read: without Google censorship) perspective on whatever you're searching for.
  - watwut 4y ago
    Equating non-western with "Russian official".
    - sofixa 4y ago
      Well technically the Russian official line is non-Western. It's also batshit insane (literally) though.
- eshch 4y ago
  if you don't mind, why should ceo be sanctioned for this? is there a chance for him to do the opposite? it's basically punishment for being a ceo of a russian company. google does pretty much the same as yandex and baidu. and it was going to do the same trying to go to china. what eu does can't stop yandex from doing that, so it boils down to just alienating. not for eu's good. the war will end and eu will depend on US even more.
  - reledi 4y ago
    You misunderstand. He's not being sanctioned because he's CEO.
- webmobdev 4y ago
  But Yandex hasn't been sanctioned. If your read the article, it specifically says this: > Yandex itself is not subject to EU sanctions. Only this particular individual has been targeted for his support for the Russian invasion against Ukraine.

This is actually the second time this has happened. Guess the EU really hates Yandex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigran_Khudaverdyan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigran_Khudaverdyan

bsnal 4y ago

Instead of hating Yandex, Google, etc they should focus on making the necessary changes so Europe can have their own Google.

qwerty456127 4y ago
Why would the world need another Google, European or whatever? I believe we don't need changes to make a new Google possible, we need changes to promote competition of many (much smaller) search engines, service/content aggregators, email services etc.

dgellow 4y ago

The EU doesn’t hate Russian companies. It is believed that Yandex manipulate their search result in a way to support Putin propaganda. You can read the EU decision if you want to understand their reasoning, it’s all public in their journal of records.

severino 4y ago
Well, the EU mandated that search engines manipulate their search results too. So I guess it's indeed that they dislike Yandex/Russia, not that they dislike biased search results.
- DandyDev 4y ago
  Sources for this claim?
  - jdasdf 4y ago
    Would the notice they sent to google suffice? https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/26927483# https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/26927483# >From: <@ec.europa.eu> >Date: Fri, Mar 4, 2022, 6:57 PM >Subject: Ukraine >Dear Signatories, >I am sending you the below email on behalf of [redacted], in order to provide clarifications related to the sanctions, following up on questions received. (...) >Search engines such as Google are designed to index results containing any possible content; they index websites throughout the world; the information is indexed by their ‘web crawlers’ or robots, that is to say, computer programmes used to locate and sweep up the content of web pages methodically and automatically (see by analogy judgment of the ECJ in Google Spain, C‑131/12, para. 43). The activity of search engines plays a decisive role in the overall dissemination of content in that it renders the latter accessible to any internet user making a search on the basis of the content indication or related terms, including to internet users who otherwise would not have found the web page on which that content is published (see by analogy judgment of the ECJ in Google Spain, C‑131/12, para. 36). Consequently, if search engines such as Google did not delist RT and Sputnik, they would facilitate the public’s access to the content of RT and Sputnik, or contribute to such access. >It follows from the foregoing that by virtue of the Regulation, providers of Internet search services must make sure that i) any link to the Internet sites of RT and Sputnik and ii) any content of RT and Sputnik, including short textual descriptions, visual elements and links to the corresponding websites do not appear in the search results delivered to users located in the EU. Social media
  - severino 4y ago
    Just try to search "Russia Today" in Google, Bing, DDG, whatever, from inside the EU, and you'll see. Do you know what you'll get within the first results? Fox news, for example.
- sofixa 4y ago
  No, they dislike official state propaganda which is blatantly and verifiably false, from an enemy, regardless of who promotes it. yes, Russia is an enemy of the EU, and it's entirely Russia's fault. In a sense it has always been an enemy for a few EU countries like Poland and the Baltics. Nonetheless, the EU, and some specific countries in it, tried to placate Russia for a very long time, hoping that the same thing achieved by the EU (peace and prosperity through very close economic integration) could be achieved with Russia. It's fully on the shoulders of Putin and his cronies that it didn't work out, but at least thanks to his misguided actions Germany and others can finally move to get rid of natural gas.
  - nix23 4y ago
    >enemy of the EU, and it's entirely Russia's fault. That's blindness to history and utter BS, please do your research and stop being so uneducated when spiting out such sentences. Damn, you have access to the world's knowledge, it's unacceptable being that uneducated and extremist.
    - sofixa 4y ago
      Oh please, I'm from Bulgaria, a nation split between Russophilia and Russophobia due to centuries of history with Russia. I'm a history nerd and have pretty decent knowledge around Eastern European history. What I'm saying is coming from a position of knowledge, history and geopolitics, not random "Russia bad guys communism" or whatever you think it is. If you're so certain in your version, go on, let's debate. How is Russia, in today's form, not an enemy of the EU through it's own choice?
      - nix23 4y ago
        >How is Russia, in today's form, not an enemy of the EU through it's own choice? Why is it? Ukraine is not part of the EU, but the EU and it's big brother NATO aka US is threatening russia since years -> NATO east expansion. But hey instead of having good relations, you force Russia to make a pact with china. You know what happened last time the Warsaw-pact made a east expansion? Hint Kuba....but Russia has to accept it in Poland and Turkey (after all US=good Russia=bad). Thinking that Russia is the enemy of Europe will bring out two winners, China and the US, once more we got played. Not NATO nor Russia is the good guy here, and talking with words like "enemy" is exactly what's not needed now. What do you think happens when Russia has no other choices?
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ajsnigrutin 4y ago
So does youtube... mainstream media from select media houses always comes higher than any independent video producer, no matter the views count or like/dislike ratio.
- vbezhenar 4y ago
  That's why youtube is on the edge of being blocked in Russia.
- jen20 4y ago
  That is absolutely not my experience of YouTube, where every video I see on my feed is about retro tech. Not exactly “big media” material.
JasserInicide 4y ago
And funnily enough, Yandex is a great way to get a non-Western (read: without Google censorship) perspective on whatever you're searching for.
- watwut 4y ago
  Equating non-western with "Russian official".
  - sofixa 4y ago
    Well technically the Russian official line is non-Western. It's also batshit insane (literally) though.
eshch 4y ago
if you don't mind, why should ceo be sanctioned for this? is there a chance for him to do the opposite? it's basically punishment for being a ceo of a russian company. google does pretty much the same as yandex and baidu. and it was going to do the same trying to go to china. what eu does can't stop yandex from doing that, so it boils down to just alienating. not for eu's good. the war will end and eu will depend on US even more.
- reledi 4y ago
  You misunderstand. He's not being sanctioned because he's CEO.
webmobdev 4y ago
But Yandex hasn't been sanctioned. If your read the article, it specifically says this: > Yandex itself is not subject to EU sanctions. Only this particular individual has been targeted for his support for the Russian invasion against Ukraine.