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If you submit identical software engineer resumes, one with a typically white male name and one with a typically white female name, do you think one will get mo

by klipt 4y ago

If you submit identical software engineer resumes, one with a typically white male name and one with a typically white female name, do you think one will get more interview opportunities? That seems like something that could be experimentally tested. My guess is the women's resume will get more interviews because tech companies really want to hire women software engineers.

mlyle 4y ago
> one with a typically white male name The study you're mentioning has been done many times. The studies do tend to find that females do slightly better, but trivially so compared to the difference between typically white and black names. e.g. https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w9873/w9873.pdf https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w9873/w9873... The thing that this study found was that not only do blacks receive many fewer callbacks at baseline... they found that blacks' prospects improved less than whites' do when additional qualifications are added. That is, if you're black, you start as a disadvantage and you benefit less from efforts to improve your employability.
- klipt 4y ago
  > That is, if you're black, you start as a disadvantage and you benefit less from efforts to improve your employability. Or, that the best thing to improve your employability is adopting a typically white female name?
  - mlyle 4y ago
    > Or, that the best thing to improve your employability is adopting a typically white female name? - I don't think that would actually work that well. - Suggesting people should reasonably pretend to be white to get employment basically concedes that the game is broken, and it's kind of offensive to boot. - While women may get (barely) more callbacks, I think we have filters earlier in life that make them less likely to end up with tech work; and we have filters later in life that tend to lower their economic compensation.
    - klipt 4y ago
      > concedes that the game is broken Duh? Why do you think immigrants to Anglo countries named Giovanni or Juan or Janek, have, since forever, changed their names to John? > While women may get (barely) more callbacks, I think we have filters earlier in life that make them less likely to end up with tech work Which suggests the optimal strategy is to either be a girl with a very enthusiastic tech parent who helps you overpower those toxic feminine norms. Or to be raised as a boy and then transition to a woman when you start working?

by klipt 4y ago

mlyle 4y ago

> one with a typically white male name The study you're mentioning has been done many times. The studies do tend to find that females do slightly better, but trivially so compared to the difference between typically white and black names. e.g. https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w9873/w9873.pdf https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w9873/w9873... The thing that this study found was that not only do blacks receive many fewer callbacks at baseline... they found that blacks' prospects improved less than whites' do when additional qualifications are added. That is, if you're black, you start as a disadvantage and you benefit less from efforts to improve your employability.

klipt 4y ago
> That is, if you're black, you start as a disadvantage and you benefit less from efforts to improve your employability. Or, that the best thing to improve your employability is adopting a typically white female name?
- mlyle 4y ago
  > Or, that the best thing to improve your employability is adopting a typically white female name? - I don't think that would actually work that well. - Suggesting people should reasonably pretend to be white to get employment basically concedes that the game is broken, and it's kind of offensive to boot. - While women may get (barely) more callbacks, I think we have filters earlier in life that make them less likely to end up with tech work; and we have filters later in life that tend to lower their economic compensation.
  - klipt 4y ago
    > concedes that the game is broken Duh? Why do you think immigrants to Anglo countries named Giovanni or Juan or Janek, have, since forever, changed their names to John? > While women may get (barely) more callbacks, I think we have filters earlier in life that make them less likely to end up with tech work Which suggests the optimal strategy is to either be a girl with a very enthusiastic tech parent who helps you overpower those toxic feminine norms. Or to be raised as a boy and then transition to a woman when you start working?