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Is there anyone speaking against this, at the EU level? These youngsters should form a group and fight back. I’d have guessed this to be a thing in say U.K, but

by akudha 4y ago

Is there anyone speaking against this, at the EU level? These youngsters should form a group and fight back. I’d have guessed this to be a thing in say U.K, but it is depressing to learn it happens even in the progressive Nordic countries

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>Is there anyone speaking against this, at the EU level? "Speaking" never changes laws in our favor though. Big changes only happen when protests and violence are directed towards the ruling class.
- astrange 4y ago
  I meet people who believe this about universal healthcare all the time. It’s a mystery why they think this because it never actually happened, and from Taiwan to the UK they got theirs by a government minister thinking “hmm today I will create universal healthcare”. The implementation problem there wasn’t “the ruling class”, it was bribing doctors who were afraid of getting paid less. The focus on protesting is a meme from the US New Left combined with modern activist brain; “organizers” think they’re doing something by “organizing” people into getting arrested in public because it worked once for civil rights. But of course it doesn’t do anything and everyone just ignores you.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    Universal healthcare and workers' rights are two completely different things, the latter of which was won in Europe post WW2, through protests, and fears of communism spreading, not through the ideas of politicians.
    - astrange 4y ago
      They are similar in that in neither case is the problem caused by “the ruling class”. The most reactionary group in the US isn’t the ruling class (oil company billionaires), it’s the local gentry (car dealership owners), and the one opposed to more universal healthcare is the upper middle class (doctors, lawyers). Similarly expensive housing is blamed on “developers” but is actually caused by rich retired homeowners.
- thriftwy 4y ago
  Violence is almost never directed towards the ruling class since the ruling class is not on the same street with you folks. Quite often they're in another country even.

by akudha 4y ago

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

>Is there anyone speaking against this, at the EU level? "Speaking" never changes laws in our favor though. Big changes only happen when protests and violence are directed towards the ruling class.

astrange 4y ago
I meet people who believe this about universal healthcare all the time. It’s a mystery why they think this because it never actually happened, and from Taiwan to the UK they got theirs by a government minister thinking “hmm today I will create universal healthcare”. The implementation problem there wasn’t “the ruling class”, it was bribing doctors who were afraid of getting paid less. The focus on protesting is a meme from the US New Left combined with modern activist brain; “organizers” think they’re doing something by “organizing” people into getting arrested in public because it worked once for civil rights. But of course it doesn’t do anything and everyone just ignores you.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  Universal healthcare and workers' rights are two completely different things, the latter of which was won in Europe post WW2, through protests, and fears of communism spreading, not through the ideas of politicians.
  - astrange 4y ago
    They are similar in that in neither case is the problem caused by “the ruling class”. The most reactionary group in the US isn’t the ruling class (oil company billionaires), it’s the local gentry (car dealership owners), and the one opposed to more universal healthcare is the upper middle class (doctors, lawyers). Similarly expensive housing is blamed on “developers” but is actually caused by rich retired homeowners.
thriftwy 4y ago
Violence is almost never directed towards the ruling class since the ruling class is not on the same street with you folks. Quite often they're in another country even.