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> And then they find reasons to explain why equality and fair treatment isn't for everybody. I completely agree with this. In Seattle, our city council propos

> And then they find reasons to explain why equality and fair treatment isn't for everybody. I completely agree with this. In Seattle, our city council proposed an ordinance requiring minimum wage and hour standards for so-called platform workers (your nominally independent contractor staff for companies like Uber and Lyft and Amazon and the like). Everything was, by Seattle political standards, going smoothly until DoorDash put the "the cost of your delivery will go up because of meddling by the Seattle council" blurb in their app. Then, immense pushback. I hear this fairly often from people I work with. I work for a medical practice group and patients, of course, want to be seen outside of the hours when they work, so we have some clinics that are open until the ungodly late hours of 7 or 8pm. One clinic is, because the clinic director is a Khan-level tyrant, open for four hours on Saturdays. The amount of moaning and wailing and gnashing of teeth by some of my colleagues, and some of the medical staff, when their turn in the rotation comes up is deafening. To be asked to work anything other than 9am to 5pm Monday through Friday is an affront to dignity. Yet these same people think nothing of also complaining when their favorite restaurant spot trims its hours back from midnight to 11pm. Or when the grocery store closes at 10pm. Or that places are crowded and have slower service on the weekends. Where, exactly, do they expect all of those employees to come from and why should those employees "suffer" to work nights and weekends? It grates on me.

i_love_music 4y ago
Thanks for calling this out. I too have noticed the same behavior and it’s frustrating. I’m happy to see others notice the same phenomenon.
bobthepanda 4y ago
At least in Seattle, I find a fair amount of places that stay open to accommodate weekend business generally close on Mondays and Tuesdays. One fairly awful bit about the nighttime economy is commuting. Light rail is closed from midnight to 5, parking is also not good during night hours. When I lived in Berlin they ran 24/3, so weekdays they would do nighttime maintainance but they would maintain service for the weekend nighttime economy.
- techsupporter 4y ago
  > I find a fair amount of places that stay open to accommodate weekend business generally close on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which makes sense to me, but people still raise a stink that retail isn't seven days a week "like it used to be." A lot of people still remember the early 2010s when Seattle was open later than it is today. There used to be a lot of 24-hour or late-night spots. Beth's, Lost Lake, 13 Coins, North Star, Third Shift Bar, and the like. QFC, Metro Market, and Safeway all had 24-hour grocery shopping. The big Starbucks in University Village used to be open 24/7, then got trimmed back to "just" 2am, and is now 9pm. But this comes with trade-offs: people don't want to work miserable jobs with crap scheduling and low pay (hoping for tips) and not get appreciated for it. The pandemic showed people they don't have to do that, but those who are used to plentiful services are salty because, hey, it turns out service employees are humans, too! > Light rail is closed from midnight to 5 I agree that Sound Transit needs to explain exactly why they need 35 hours a week for maintenance when other agencies manage to pull it off in a fraction of the time. But, to be fair to the rail, buses do still exist and we did a big restructure of our overnight bus service such that the routes actually exist and make some sense. Having ridden the 83 or 84 home more than once, those old owl routes were a travesty.
_moof 4y ago
I used to work Wed-Sun and it was the best. My "weekends" (Mondays and Tuesdays) happened when everyone else was at work, so there was never a crowd anywhere I needed to go on my days off. Bliss.
pempem 4y ago
I fully agree and the medical field in particular confounds me when I get asked to come in at 3pm on a Tuesday as the only time all month available and then wait for 45 min. That being said, I think the reason these frustrations are exploitable is because every single charge is passed directly to the consumer. For all of the private market's genius, it struggles to capture efficiencies except for when it enriches the shareholders, board members or C-suite with salary ties to stock performance. No one ever seems to ask why that is. Its just assumed that the consumer should pay for it out of their post tax wallet share.

i_love_music 4y ago

Thanks for calling this out. I too have noticed the same behavior and it’s frustrating. I’m happy to see others notice the same phenomenon.

bobthepanda 4y ago

At least in Seattle, I find a fair amount of places that stay open to accommodate weekend business generally close on Mondays and Tuesdays. One fairly awful bit about the nighttime economy is commuting. Light rail is closed from midnight to 5, parking is also not good during night hours. When I lived in Berlin they ran 24/3, so weekdays they would do nighttime maintainance but they would maintain service for the weekend nighttime economy.

techsupporter 4y ago
> I find a fair amount of places that stay open to accommodate weekend business generally close on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which makes sense to me, but people still raise a stink that retail isn't seven days a week "like it used to be." A lot of people still remember the early 2010s when Seattle was open later than it is today. There used to be a lot of 24-hour or late-night spots. Beth's, Lost Lake, 13 Coins, North Star, Third Shift Bar, and the like. QFC, Metro Market, and Safeway all had 24-hour grocery shopping. The big Starbucks in University Village used to be open 24/7, then got trimmed back to "just" 2am, and is now 9pm. But this comes with trade-offs: people don't want to work miserable jobs with crap scheduling and low pay (hoping for tips) and not get appreciated for it. The pandemic showed people they don't have to do that, but those who are used to plentiful services are salty because, hey, it turns out service employees are humans, too! > Light rail is closed from midnight to 5 I agree that Sound Transit needs to explain exactly why they need 35 hours a week for maintenance when other agencies manage to pull it off in a fraction of the time. But, to be fair to the rail, buses do still exist and we did a big restructure of our overnight bus service such that the routes actually exist and make some sense. Having ridden the 83 or 84 home more than once, those old owl routes were a travesty.

_moof 4y ago

I used to work Wed-Sun and it was the best. My "weekends" (Mondays and Tuesdays) happened when everyone else was at work, so there was never a crowd anywhere I needed to go on my days off. Bliss.

pempem 4y ago

I fully agree and the medical field in particular confounds me when I get asked to come in at 3pm on a Tuesday as the only time all month available and then wait for 45 min. That being said, I think the reason these frustrations are exploitable is because every single charge is passed directly to the consumer. For all of the private market's genius, it struggles to capture efficiencies except for when it enriches the shareholders, board members or C-suite with salary ties to stock performance. No one ever seems to ask why that is. Its just assumed that the consumer should pay for it out of their post tax wallet share.