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I think the point is that men have to put up with such shit all the time online.

scott_s 15y ago
No, I don't think they do. And if you think they do, I don't think you understand the scale of what she's talking about. It's linked several times in this thread. Please read it.
- maximusprime 15y ago
  I've read it. There are billions of disturbed weird people in the world. Lots of them make it online. This is one of them. It's a shame she let it bother her.
  - scott_s 15y ago
    So it's her fault that a continued campaign of harassment "bothered" her? Have you ever experienced anything like that, or are you just guessing what it would feel like?
    - monochromatic 15y ago
      > Have you ever experienced anything like that, or are you just guessing what it would feel like? White-knighting aside, have you?
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      - scott_s 15y ago
        No, but I'm also not telling someone who is experiencing it what they should do.
    - maximusprime 15y ago
      Well, she didn't do herself any favors by talking at conferences about women in tech, or setting up a feminist movement. If you wanted to attract abuse, that's a good way to go about it. It should be expected. Why didn't she talk at conferences about code?
      - lizzard 15y ago
        I'm not sure if you're joking and I hope so, but she did give talks on coding, and then after giving one talk about women in tech that was quite successful and changed a lot of people's thinking, a lot of other conferences invited her to give similar talks in an attempt to make their own environments more diverse/welcoming, and in fact she turned down many more. I shouldn't even have to say that but apparently someone does. And if setting up a movement to support other women means that we're setting ourselves up as targets "to attract abuse" then you know what, count me in, because that only means we need MORE activism.
mtoddh 15y ago
Got any links/citations that support this assertion? Specifically, cases where men in the FOSS community are being harassed because of their gender.
prakashk 15y ago
As CJefferson sain in another comment on this post (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3163613 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3163613): The harassment women get is much, much worse than men. Me and my wife are both computer scientists, and have both given talks at many conferences. My wife and our female friends consistently get much more, and much worse, harassment than me and our male friends. There is no comparison, and over time I've seen it grind several women down to the point where they just give up (fortunately not my wife yet). I think everyone should help to reduce the often hostile attitude in IT and FOSS in particular, and a fairly obvious part of that is to stop treating women so badly. Just treating them like everyone else would be a fine start.

No, I don't think they do. And if you think they do, I don't think you understand the scale of what she's talking about. It's linked several times in this thread. Please read it.

maximusprime 15y ago
I've read it. There are billions of disturbed weird people in the world. Lots of them make it online. This is one of them. It's a shame she let it bother her.
- scott_s 15y ago
  So it's her fault that a continued campaign of harassment "bothered" her? Have you ever experienced anything like that, or are you just guessing what it would feel like?
  - monochromatic 15y ago
    > Have you ever experienced anything like that, or are you just guessing what it would feel like? White-knighting aside, have you?
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    - scott_s 15y ago
      No, but I'm also not telling someone who is experiencing it what they should do.
  - maximusprime 15y ago
    Well, she didn't do herself any favors by talking at conferences about women in tech, or setting up a feminist movement. If you wanted to attract abuse, that's a good way to go about it. It should be expected. Why didn't she talk at conferences about code?
    - lizzard 15y ago
      I'm not sure if you're joking and I hope so, but she did give talks on coding, and then after giving one talk about women in tech that was quite successful and changed a lot of people's thinking, a lot of other conferences invited her to give similar talks in an attempt to make their own environments more diverse/welcoming, and in fact she turned down many more. I shouldn't even have to say that but apparently someone does. And if setting up a movement to support other women means that we're setting ourselves up as targets "to attract abuse" then you know what, count me in, because that only means we need MORE activism.

mtoddh 15y ago

Got any links/citations that support this assertion? Specifically, cases where men in the FOSS community are being harassed because of their gender.

prakashk 15y ago

As CJefferson sain in another comment on this post (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3163613 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3163613): The harassment women get is much, much worse than men. Me and my wife are both computer scientists, and have both given talks at many conferences. My wife and our female friends consistently get much more, and much worse, harassment than me and our male friends. There is no comparison, and over time I've seen it grind several women down to the point where they just give up (fortunately not my wife yet). I think everyone should help to reduce the often hostile attitude in IT and FOSS in particular, and a fairly obvious part of that is to stop treating women so badly. Just treating them like everyone else would be a fine start.