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> Said another way, the compensation is pitiful. The whole point is that being a parent is compensated in a way that no other choice is. Parents take on a sig

> Said another way, the compensation is pitiful. The whole point is that being a parent is compensated in a way that no other choice is. Parents take on a significant burden. They are compensated for it. There is no choice I can make as a non-parent that will provide me with similar compensation.

paulryanrogers 4y ago
Can you define what compensation you see as so exclusive to parenting? If just this financial support provided by some governments then consider you could take on a very low pay job with a nonprofit and get similar 'compensation'. Albeit spread across the length of that career instead of front loaded as paternity leave/credits.
- paulcole 4y ago
  Parental leave is exclusive to parenting. See the original comment: > Some countries give more than a year paid parental leave You yourself are making my point by saying “similar compensation” “albeit spread across the length of a career.” There is nothing for non-parents that is equivalent to parental leave.
  - paulryanrogers 4y ago
    Thanks for clarifying your perspective. Honestly it just seems very narrow and pedantic since even non-parents benefit from efforts to blunt the incredible costs of parenting. It leads to quality of life improvements, even if modest, for families. Non-parents themselves, and all their friends, love interests, and family have to come from parents somehow. If society does nothing to help then more parents will choose to have fewer, or no, children. And these leave benefits are just so miniscule compared to the effort and finances required for each child. So why complain about missing them?
    - paulcole 4y ago
      A paid year away from work is not minuscule. The benefits of somebody else having kids is minuscule to me. > If society does nothing to help then more parents will choose to have fewer, or no, children. Fewer people is our best option (it is still a terrible option, don't get me wrong) for mitigating the effects of climate change.
      - paulryanrogers 4y ago
        > The benefits of somebody else having kids is minuscule to me. Your parents having you is a miniscule benefit to you?
        paulcole 4y ago
        Yes. If my parents didn’t have me the world would be better off (not any kind of downer, just a fact that I take more from the world than I give — like nearly everybody) and I wouldn’t know the difference because I wouldn’t exist.

paulryanrogers 4y ago

Can you define what compensation you see as so exclusive to parenting? If just this financial support provided by some governments then consider you could take on a very low pay job with a nonprofit and get similar 'compensation'. Albeit spread across the length of that career instead of front loaded as paternity leave/credits.

paulcole 4y ago
Parental leave is exclusive to parenting. See the original comment: > Some countries give more than a year paid parental leave You yourself are making my point by saying “similar compensation” “albeit spread across the length of a career.” There is nothing for non-parents that is equivalent to parental leave.
- paulryanrogers 4y ago
  Thanks for clarifying your perspective. Honestly it just seems very narrow and pedantic since even non-parents benefit from efforts to blunt the incredible costs of parenting. It leads to quality of life improvements, even if modest, for families. Non-parents themselves, and all their friends, love interests, and family have to come from parents somehow. If society does nothing to help then more parents will choose to have fewer, or no, children. And these leave benefits are just so miniscule compared to the effort and finances required for each child. So why complain about missing them?
  - paulcole 4y ago
    A paid year away from work is not minuscule. The benefits of somebody else having kids is minuscule to me. > If society does nothing to help then more parents will choose to have fewer, or no, children. Fewer people is our best option (it is still a terrible option, don't get me wrong) for mitigating the effects of climate change.
    - paulryanrogers 4y ago
      > The benefits of somebody else having kids is minuscule to me. Your parents having you is a miniscule benefit to you?
      - paulcole 4y ago
        Yes. If my parents didn’t have me the world would be better off (not any kind of downer, just a fact that I take more from the world than I give — like nearly everybody) and I wouldn’t know the difference because I wouldn’t exist.