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I'm sure there's people who do meth recreationally that say the same thing about my fairly small dosage but daily adderall usage. There's something to be said

I'm sure there's people who do meth recreationally that say the same thing about my fairly small dosage but daily adderall usage. There's something to be said for a little bit all the time being as valid as a lot every now and then. They're focused on different effects and facets of life. In my mind it's 'doing large doses all the time' that's generally a problem (and even then only from a 'hey, you might need to work on yourself a bit and take a deep look at why you're doing that' perspective).

bozhark 4y ago
There’s really not.
- monocasa 4y ago
  I mean, I'm sure there are because I've met them and they've said that to me.
  - jamal-kumar 4y ago
    Same here... But it's not like you can compulsively load up adderall pills into a pipe to turn into a puddle. The huge issue I see with tweakers is that they smoke that shit like a joint and will tell you that they're doing it for medical reasons. Hilarious if it wasn't for what that does to you.
    - sva_ 4y ago
      I think people crush up the pills, filter the fillers and snort adderall just like meth in a habitual way (for several days at a time.)
      - eurasiantiger 4y ago
        You don’t snort freebase, it is not water soluble.
hirvi74 4y ago
> I'm sure there's people who do meth recreationally that say the same thing about my fairly small dosage but daily adderall usage. Sola dosis facit venenum (The dose makes the poison) Also, Adderall (Amphetamine) != Methamphetamine. That is like saying Ethylene Glycol (a common car anti-freeze) is the same as Ethanol (drinking alcohol) or that Peroxide is the same as distilled water. In fact, the substances I listed above are more molecularly similar than methamphetamine and amphetamine. From my understanding, meth made in quality controlled, lab tested, legally controlled, and medically administered and monitored dosages has amazing results for the conditions it treats. Commonly, dosages are in the 2mg - 20mg range vs. the multiple GRAMS of meth + whatever leftover reaction byproducts in recreational usages. Also, stimulant medications have a higher safety profile than many OTC medications, so take that for what it's worth.
- leadingthenet 4y ago
  > Adderall (Amphetamine) != Methamphetamine Have you ever tried both, though? Once you factor out the faster uptake due to that methyl group, it's essentially impossible to tell which is which at equivalent, medicinal doses.
  - hirvi74 4y ago
    I've got a lot of experience with the former (medicinally). Would one be able to tell a difference at a much higher dosage? What about when compared to an equivalent dosage of another CNS like methylphenidate or cocaine?
    - leadingthenet 4y ago
      > Would one be able to tell a difference at a much higher dosage? I never dared risk much higher dosages, so I wouldn't know. > What about when compared to an equivalent dosage of another CNS like methylphenidate or cocaine? In my experience, one can definitely tell the difference between (meth)amphetamine and methylphenidate / cocaine, at any dose. They are by no means that different, though, and I wouldn't be surprised if a person with no previous exposure to either would struggle to do so. Other CNS stimulants, like nicotine and caffeine, are more obviously different. This is all purely anecdotal, though I have skimmed studies which also claimed as much, so those might be worth looking into.
PartiallyTyped 4y ago
I am not sure the two are comparable given that LSD does not function on dopaminergic circuits.
- monocasa 4y ago
  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27544651/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27544651/
  - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
    That's because serotonin circuits (where LSD and magic mushrooms act on) are antagonists to dopaminergic circuits [1]. [1] https://moleculeofmore.com/ https://moleculeofmore.com/
    - monocasa 4y ago
      What you've described is a mechanism for functioning on dopaminergic circuits.
  - bgandrew 4y ago
    so it's like comparing a downer to an upper, right? not the best comparison in my books.
    - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
      LSD is not exactly a downer. The decreased activity is because serotonin circuits are antagonists to dopamine circuits.
      - bgandrew 4y ago
        I know. I'm just saying there is very little sense in comparing it to adderall.
        sva_ 4y ago

bozhark 4y ago

There’s really not.

monocasa 4y ago
I mean, I'm sure there are because I've met them and they've said that to me.
- jamal-kumar 4y ago
  Same here... But it's not like you can compulsively load up adderall pills into a pipe to turn into a puddle. The huge issue I see with tweakers is that they smoke that shit like a joint and will tell you that they're doing it for medical reasons. Hilarious if it wasn't for what that does to you.
  - sva_ 4y ago
    I think people crush up the pills, filter the fillers and snort adderall just like meth in a habitual way (for several days at a time.)
    - eurasiantiger 4y ago
      You don’t snort freebase, it is not water soluble.

hirvi74 4y ago

> I'm sure there's people who do meth recreationally that say the same thing about my fairly small dosage but daily adderall usage. Sola dosis facit venenum (The dose makes the poison) Also, Adderall (Amphetamine) != Methamphetamine. That is like saying Ethylene Glycol (a common car anti-freeze) is the same as Ethanol (drinking alcohol) or that Peroxide is the same as distilled water. In fact, the substances I listed above are more molecularly similar than methamphetamine and amphetamine. From my understanding, meth made in quality controlled, lab tested, legally controlled, and medically administered and monitored dosages has amazing results for the conditions it treats. Commonly, dosages are in the 2mg - 20mg range vs. the multiple GRAMS of meth + whatever leftover reaction byproducts in recreational usages. Also, stimulant medications have a higher safety profile than many OTC medications, so take that for what it's worth.

leadingthenet 4y ago
> Adderall (Amphetamine) != Methamphetamine Have you ever tried both, though? Once you factor out the faster uptake due to that methyl group, it's essentially impossible to tell which is which at equivalent, medicinal doses.
- hirvi74 4y ago
  I've got a lot of experience with the former (medicinally). Would one be able to tell a difference at a much higher dosage? What about when compared to an equivalent dosage of another CNS like methylphenidate or cocaine?
  - leadingthenet 4y ago
    > Would one be able to tell a difference at a much higher dosage? I never dared risk much higher dosages, so I wouldn't know. > What about when compared to an equivalent dosage of another CNS like methylphenidate or cocaine? In my experience, one can definitely tell the difference between (meth)amphetamine and methylphenidate / cocaine, at any dose. They are by no means that different, though, and I wouldn't be surprised if a person with no previous exposure to either would struggle to do so. Other CNS stimulants, like nicotine and caffeine, are more obviously different. This is all purely anecdotal, though I have skimmed studies which also claimed as much, so those might be worth looking into.

PartiallyTyped 4y ago

I am not sure the two are comparable given that LSD does not function on dopaminergic circuits.

monocasa 4y ago
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27544651/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27544651/
- PartiallyTyped 4y ago
  That's because serotonin circuits (where LSD and magic mushrooms act on) are antagonists to dopaminergic circuits [1]. [1] https://moleculeofmore.com/ https://moleculeofmore.com/
  - monocasa 4y ago
    What you've described is a mechanism for functioning on dopaminergic circuits.
- bgandrew 4y ago
  so it's like comparing a downer to an upper, right? not the best comparison in my books.
  - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
    LSD is not exactly a downer. The decreased activity is because serotonin circuits are antagonists to dopamine circuits.
    - bgandrew 4y ago
      I know. I'm just saying there is very little sense in comparing it to adderall.
      - sva_ 4y ago