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I usually simply uninstall the app on the first clearly spammy notification. Why wouldn't I? It immediately sours the app image. If it's borderline I will firs

I usually simply uninstall the app on the first clearly spammy notification. Why wouldn't I? It immediately sours the app image. If it's borderline I will first try silencing the channel like the parent commenter.

izacus 4y ago
Those rules only work until you're required to have such app installed to do, for example, credit card payments.
- fxtentacle 4y ago
  Where i live, GDPR and related laws make it illegal to mix advertising permissions with functional permissions. So that's never going to happen.
  - izacus 4y ago
    I've spent plenty of time working on GDPR compliance in EU and I can directly tell you there's nothing in GDPR that would say anything like that. GDPR talks about data collection and says nothing about having your own business spam you with advertisement (as long as they don't collect data outside their GDPR restrictions).
    - anticristi 4y ago
      > Consent is presumed not to be freely given if it does not allow separate consent to be given to different personal data processing operations despite it being appropriate in the individual case [...] https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-43/ https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-43/
      - deleted 4y ago
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      - scarface74 4y ago
        That has absolutely nothing to do with notifications and pop ups.
        dmkii 4y ago
        You’re right, but only if the company wouldn’t track whether you’ve seen or even received that message. So yes, general or even contextual messages would be allowed, but “You haven’t seen X in 9 days” would imply processing personal data for marketing purposes.
        scarface74 4y ago
        With iOS, they send the message to Apple’s servers, Apple sends the message to the user’s device and the device decides whether to display the pop up based on the user’s settings. Neither the third party app nor Apple knows whether the message has been seen unless the user clicks on the message that causes it to open the app.
      - l33t2328 4y ago
        I don’t see what this says about notifications
- tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago
  Which can be solved by finding a competitor with less abusive practices.
  - teddyh 4y ago
    Not in a monopoly or oligopoly, which is the common case in markets with high barriers to entry.
    - bee_rider 4y ago
      If this a hypothetical? I can't think of any monopolies that I need to do business with that only do business through an app.
      - JonChesterfield 4y ago
        My bank's android app has more control over my account than any other way of interacting with them, including going into branches and posting forms. That's not strictly a monopoly but I'm on my fifth bank and they've all been similarly rubbish.
        bee_rider 4y ago
        Huh, interesting. I can't think of many notifications I would want from my bank. I've got an alarm for if my balance goes under a certain threshold, which I guess could be handled via a notification, but IMO it is easier to just make the threshold high enough that I can treat it as a "check-once-per-day" thing, and get the notifications via email.
        davidhowlett 4y ago
        As a UK customer, I use Monzo bank and have pretty consistently had good experiences. They are a new bank. Recieving international money transfers was the only bit that they didn't support.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > Which can be solved by finding a competitor with less abusive practices For those with infinite time or for whom this is a single issue, yes. For the rest of us, disabling notifications isn’t too hard.

izacus 4y ago

Those rules only work until you're required to have such app installed to do, for example, credit card payments.

fxtentacle 4y ago
Where i live, GDPR and related laws make it illegal to mix advertising permissions with functional permissions. So that's never going to happen.
- izacus 4y ago
  I've spent plenty of time working on GDPR compliance in EU and I can directly tell you there's nothing in GDPR that would say anything like that. GDPR talks about data collection and says nothing about having your own business spam you with advertisement (as long as they don't collect data outside their GDPR restrictions).
  - anticristi 4y ago
    > Consent is presumed not to be freely given if it does not allow separate consent to be given to different personal data processing operations despite it being appropriate in the individual case [...] https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-43/ https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-43/
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - scarface74 4y ago
      That has absolutely nothing to do with notifications and pop ups.
      - dmkii 4y ago
        You’re right, but only if the company wouldn’t track whether you’ve seen or even received that message. So yes, general or even contextual messages would be allowed, but “You haven’t seen X in 9 days” would imply processing personal data for marketing purposes.
        scarface74 4y ago
        With iOS, they send the message to Apple’s servers, Apple sends the message to the user’s device and the device decides whether to display the pop up based on the user’s settings. Neither the third party app nor Apple knows whether the message has been seen unless the user clicks on the message that causes it to open the app.
    - l33t2328 4y ago
      I don’t see what this says about notifications
tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago
Which can be solved by finding a competitor with less abusive practices.
- teddyh 4y ago
  Not in a monopoly or oligopoly, which is the common case in markets with high barriers to entry.
  - bee_rider 4y ago
    If this a hypothetical? I can't think of any monopolies that I need to do business with that only do business through an app.
    - JonChesterfield 4y ago
      My bank's android app has more control over my account than any other way of interacting with them, including going into branches and posting forms. That's not strictly a monopoly but I'm on my fifth bank and they've all been similarly rubbish.
      - bee_rider 4y ago
        Huh, interesting. I can't think of many notifications I would want from my bank. I've got an alarm for if my balance goes under a certain threshold, which I guess could be handled via a notification, but IMO it is easier to just make the threshold high enough that I can treat it as a "check-once-per-day" thing, and get the notifications via email.
      - davidhowlett 4y ago
        As a UK customer, I use Monzo bank and have pretty consistently had good experiences. They are a new bank. Recieving international money transfers was the only bit that they didn't support.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > Which can be solved by finding a competitor with less abusive practices For those with infinite time or for whom this is a single issue, yes. For the rest of us, disabling notifications isn’t too hard.