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> If the people who aren't providing value constantly win over the people that strive to Not that I don't sympathize with your struggles, but aren't the people
by Cpoll 4y ago
> If the people who aren't providing value constantly win over the people that strive to
Not that I don't sympathize with your struggles, but aren't the people who are creating background noise tracks doing exactly that, providing value? The article talks about tracks with natural noise or ambient noises, so it's not exactly the same as turning a fan on. I can't see how this is a scam.
Also from the article, there's a team of five making some of these, so it's not even accurate to label them as low effort (though I'll admit they're probably admin and marketing roles...).
> I have about 30 songs up there, All in all I've probably only gotten about 1,400 streams
That's only 46 listens per song. That suggests to me that you're not self-promoting, or doing something wrong. Even if there weren't white noise tracks on Spotify with 100k listens, there are millions of songs with <100 listens; even if the Spotify exposure algorithms were "fair" you wouldn't get any more listens than you already have.
- winternett 4y agoYou didn't have to take it in a personal insult direction friend. It's such a common response to an issue you really do not understand. I'll refrain from salty comments concerning the quality of my work because you're already sold on the ideal that the platform is totally ethical, despite many well selling artists saying the same things I have numerous times. The platforms exist to promote artists, they do not do that at all. It's really not for me to defend the merits of my work in response to expressing my experience on the platform... It's really not for you to insult someone you know nothing about, who says they've worked hard. You should really think about that... I have solid success in many other places than Spotify, and that's why I dedicate my time there and not to Spotify.
- hetspookjee 4y agoI find it odd that you seem rather adamant on the skill that goes into your own music, yet seem to disregard the noise genre as a whole and call it unfair that it gets that much attention. Indeed the world is not fair, but to discredit other peoples work that a lot of others seem to appreciate seems as a moot point. I listen to a lot of music, mostly noise / ambient / drone and do so mostly during work, so the hours stack up quite rapidly. Per the Spotify model this is quite beneficial for the artist. But I am rather picky in the noise I appreciate so in the end it’s not that many songs I keep. Most I visit once and turn off halfway. So I definitely wouldn’t want to call it easy to create good ambient / noise. Anyway the other day I saw a YouTube video with 116M views of 9 minutes long that showed hands going into slime. Now compared with a video from say Carfection or PBS EON, that’s quite odd than.
- winternett 4y agoI never commented on the overall quality of the ambient drone genre... I don't know where you got that unimportant idea? There are people literally recording ceiling fans and then putting it on Spotify, and using low-effort production techniques like play bots to steal royalties from hard working artists. That's what I'm referring to. The only way that Spotify can really fix that is to rely less on algorithms, ban payola, and bring back real curators... But for the sake of their profit, that's not likely to ever happen. This article is about a platform of hundreds of thousands of artists (or more) and you're using 2-3 artists you loosely observed to say that everything is fair. Thats not a real conversation at all rooted in fact. Far off the topic of making it about me.
- analog31 4y agoOddly enough, I'm a performing musician, and an audience of 46 people would be fairly typical.