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This is the kind of assertion people love to make but hate to back up, or think deeply about. It makes more sense to address core issues like poverty and abuse

This is the kind of assertion people love to make but hate to back up, or think deeply about. It makes more sense to address core issues like poverty and abuse than it does to drone strike these kids'

rayiner 4y ago
It doesn’t require much backup. Spend a few days walking around Japan and just look around. Or compare American kids to kids in other countries, including countries that are a lot poorer, like Bangladesh where I’m from. Raising red herrings about “core issues” is a refusal to engage with the problem. It’s not “poverty” that causes these behavioral problems, because many poor countries manage to control their kids. You’ve actually got it backward. Misbehaved kids and tolerance for classroom disruption deprives poor kids of a good education and perpetuates poverty.
- kieselguhr_kid 4y ago
  "Just look around" is exactly what I thought you'd say.
  - pen2l 4y ago
    I'm an immigrant, so I have a vantage point here others may not. I remember being bewildered at how belligerent fellow troubled kids were with their elders (especially teachers and their parents*), to the point where it was often impossible for the teacher to carry on with her lesson plan for that day because most of the time was spent with cops/security guards or the teacher crying in a corner. I'm surprised at the resistance rayiner is getting. I'm thinking it is likely due to folks here having been brought up in suburban bubbles and being completely ignorant of how bad the situation is in a lot of inner city schools. *edit: I suspect folks here will interpret the term "troubled kid" in their own cute ways, like not following directions on how to do a math problem because the little Euler-streaked student found a *better* way and he'll not listen to the authority on how to do the problem the conventional way, don't you suppress his creativity! No, I'm talking about students like these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDFBxKcOXY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDFBxKcOXY where in the back of your mind the calculation taking place is 'is he going to hit me? If I hit him first, can I get away without being physically hurt? I have a PhD in physics, what am I doing here babysitting these hellspawn clowns? But if I hit first, what kind of administrative bullshit fallout do I have to deal with?'
    - rayiner 4y ago
      > I'm an immigrant, so I have a vantage point here others may not. I remember being bewildered at how belligerent fellow mates were with their elders (especially teachers and their parents*), Same story here. Indeed, I was raised in a pretty westernized way (my dad worked for US companies even back in Bangladesh, and read the Dr. Spock book that was the rage back in the 1980s). And frankly I was a little shit compared to my cousins who were raised in a more traditional Bangladeshi way.
- loeg 4y ago
  How many taser drones does Japan use in their schools? Or Bangladesh?

rayiner 4y ago

It doesn’t require much backup. Spend a few days walking around Japan and just look around. Or compare American kids to kids in other countries, including countries that are a lot poorer, like Bangladesh where I’m from. Raising red herrings about “core issues” is a refusal to engage with the problem. It’s not “poverty” that causes these behavioral problems, because many poor countries manage to control their kids. You’ve actually got it backward. Misbehaved kids and tolerance for classroom disruption deprives poor kids of a good education and perpetuates poverty.

kieselguhr_kid 4y ago
"Just look around" is exactly what I thought you'd say.
- pen2l 4y ago
  I'm an immigrant, so I have a vantage point here others may not. I remember being bewildered at how belligerent fellow troubled kids were with their elders (especially teachers and their parents*), to the point where it was often impossible for the teacher to carry on with her lesson plan for that day because most of the time was spent with cops/security guards or the teacher crying in a corner. I'm surprised at the resistance rayiner is getting. I'm thinking it is likely due to folks here having been brought up in suburban bubbles and being completely ignorant of how bad the situation is in a lot of inner city schools. *edit: I suspect folks here will interpret the term "troubled kid" in their own cute ways, like not following directions on how to do a math problem because the little Euler-streaked student found a *better* way and he'll not listen to the authority on how to do the problem the conventional way, don't you suppress his creativity! No, I'm talking about students like these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDFBxKcOXY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDFBxKcOXY where in the back of your mind the calculation taking place is 'is he going to hit me? If I hit him first, can I get away without being physically hurt? I have a PhD in physics, what am I doing here babysitting these hellspawn clowns? But if I hit first, what kind of administrative bullshit fallout do I have to deal with?'
  - rayiner 4y ago
    > I'm an immigrant, so I have a vantage point here others may not. I remember being bewildered at how belligerent fellow mates were with their elders (especially teachers and their parents*), Same story here. Indeed, I was raised in a pretty westernized way (my dad worked for US companies even back in Bangladesh, and read the Dr. Spock book that was the rage back in the 1980s). And frankly I was a little shit compared to my cousins who were raised in a more traditional Bangladeshi way.
loeg 4y ago
How many taser drones does Japan use in their schools? Or Bangladesh?