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Wire cutters cost a couple bucks. A decent Mac you could use for development is a bit more expensive.

delinka 15y ago
The cost is not relevant to my point. If you want to start a courier service in a fairly large area, motorized vehicles are a bit more expensive than a Mac. Can't afford the tools? Find another line of work.
- Wilya 15y ago
  I don't see how the fact that I don't want to pay for a specific set of tools (a mac machine) prevents me from being interested in alternative tools.
  - delinka 15y ago
    In the case of iOS development, alternative tools have their own cost: effort to set up and maintain. Akin to how most operating systems besides Windows take additional effort to set up on that new Dell. If you can afford this extra effort (i.e. have the patience to work through the quirks), then you're welcome to it. Complaining about needing to obtain a Mac to gain the convenience of Apple's development environment is pointless.
    - Wilya 15y ago
      Oh, I agree on that. My point is that it's my own decision to choose what works best for me. I was more reacting on your "find another line of work".
- The_Fox 15y ago
  The cost certainly is relevant. You can lease or rent a cube van. You can't rent $10 tools.
  - delinka 15y ago
    One can also lease computers. Including Macs.
    - robterrell 15y ago
      http://store.apple.com/us_smb_78313/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_mini/select http://store.apple.com/us_smb_78313/browse/home/shop_mac/fam... The price of leasing a Mac Mini from Apple is $25 per month ($34 with more RAM, but that would be silly to pay for). Much cheaper than the model of renting a virtual machine, plus works with your local devices. The only problem is, Apple Business leasing has a minimum order. Of course, if you can't stand Objective-C and want to stop, the virtual machine gives you a simpler path to quitting.
- krschultz 15y ago
  It's the artificial limitation that drives everyone crazy. It's the difference between having to buy a van to start a courier service, and having to buy a BMW because someone says you have to. I understand the necessity of having to own a van to run my business, but why do I have to pay extra for one that has no extra capability? I did mobile dev for a living. Cross compiling across architectures and OSes is part and parcel to the beast. The fact that Apple won't let you is an artificial restriction.
untog 15y ago
Replying to delinka here because I can't reply directly: It's very sad that there should be any kind of pay wall behind tinkering with your mobile phone. I get that if you intend on making an app that's going to earn you millions then buying a Mac is small change. But what if you're just starting out, and are curious about how to go about making iOS apps? It's a real disappointment that anyone would think attaching a $1,000 price tag to programming is a good thing.

The cost is not relevant to my point. If you want to start a courier service in a fairly large area, motorized vehicles are a bit more expensive than a Mac. Can't afford the tools? Find another line of work.

Wilya 15y ago
I don't see how the fact that I don't want to pay for a specific set of tools (a mac machine) prevents me from being interested in alternative tools.
- delinka 15y ago
  In the case of iOS development, alternative tools have their own cost: effort to set up and maintain. Akin to how most operating systems besides Windows take additional effort to set up on that new Dell. If you can afford this extra effort (i.e. have the patience to work through the quirks), then you're welcome to it. Complaining about needing to obtain a Mac to gain the convenience of Apple's development environment is pointless.
  - Wilya 15y ago
    Oh, I agree on that. My point is that it's my own decision to choose what works best for me. I was more reacting on your "find another line of work".
The_Fox 15y ago
The cost certainly is relevant. You can lease or rent a cube van. You can't rent $10 tools.
- delinka 15y ago
  One can also lease computers. Including Macs.
  - robterrell 15y ago
    http://store.apple.com/us_smb_78313/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_mini/select http://store.apple.com/us_smb_78313/browse/home/shop_mac/fam... The price of leasing a Mac Mini from Apple is $25 per month ($34 with more RAM, but that would be silly to pay for). Much cheaper than the model of renting a virtual machine, plus works with your local devices. The only problem is, Apple Business leasing has a minimum order. Of course, if you can't stand Objective-C and want to stop, the virtual machine gives you a simpler path to quitting.
krschultz 15y ago
It's the artificial limitation that drives everyone crazy. It's the difference between having to buy a van to start a courier service, and having to buy a BMW because someone says you have to. I understand the necessity of having to own a van to run my business, but why do I have to pay extra for one that has no extra capability? I did mobile dev for a living. Cross compiling across architectures and OSes is part and parcel to the beast. The fact that Apple won't let you is an artificial restriction.

untog 15y ago

Replying to delinka here because I can't reply directly: It's very sad that there should be any kind of pay wall behind tinkering with your mobile phone. I get that if you intend on making an app that's going to earn you millions then buying a Mac is small change. But what if you're just starting out, and are curious about how to go about making iOS apps? It's a real disappointment that anyone would think attaching a $1,000 price tag to programming is a good thing.