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I hope not, Qualcomm's strategy is to stagnate with inefficient chips I was hoping Apple would buy them or AMD With Qualcomm, ARM will die

Mikeb85 4y ago
> I was hoping Apple would buy them God I hope not. Apple would try to prevent everyone else in the industry from using ARM IP and would lead to either a schism in ARM architectures or everyone jumping on something else (maybe that's what would get RISC-V to take off?).
- petre 4y ago
  > maybe that's what would get RISC-V to take off? Export controls to China alone will do it.
- Shadonototra 4y ago
  Why would they? they would face backslash and probably an investigation I'd hope they contribute for a better ARM ecosystem for everyone using their experience crafting M1
wyldfire 4y ago
> Qualcomm's strategy is to stagnate with inefficient chips What do you mean? Seems like they're constantly trying to catch up with Apple's chips.
- Shadonototra 4y ago
  countless number of chips, no significant improvements over the generations and expensive af and since Apple M1 came out 2 years ago, they are still unable to offer equivalent
  - Moral_ 4y ago
    Well they just purchased Nuvia and are expected to ship Nuvia based cores in 2023 so we should see if they've caught up.
  - wyldfire 4y ago
    > and since Apple M1 came out 2 years ago, they are still unable to offer equivalent The fact that they can't keep up with their big competitor doesn't seem like evidence that they deliberately want things to stagnate. IIRC Apple is an architectural licensee but Qualcomm is not (though they were ~6 years ago). Back in the day, Qualcomm's designs were probably more competitive than the reference ones are today. Disclosure: I'm a Qualcomm employee.
  - fomine3 4y ago
    Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. To be fair, only Apple could pay more cost for chip.
samwillis 4y ago
Apple have a perpetual architecture license from ARM, and having significantly expanded from it they have no reason to purchase ARM (other than to be anticompetitive)

Mikeb85 4y ago

> I was hoping Apple would buy them God I hope not. Apple would try to prevent everyone else in the industry from using ARM IP and would lead to either a schism in ARM architectures or everyone jumping on something else (maybe that's what would get RISC-V to take off?).

petre 4y ago
> maybe that's what would get RISC-V to take off? Export controls to China alone will do it.
Shadonototra 4y ago
Why would they? they would face backslash and probably an investigation I'd hope they contribute for a better ARM ecosystem for everyone using their experience crafting M1

wyldfire 4y ago

> Qualcomm's strategy is to stagnate with inefficient chips What do you mean? Seems like they're constantly trying to catch up with Apple's chips.

Shadonototra 4y ago
countless number of chips, no significant improvements over the generations and expensive af and since Apple M1 came out 2 years ago, they are still unable to offer equivalent
- Moral_ 4y ago
  Well they just purchased Nuvia and are expected to ship Nuvia based cores in 2023 so we should see if they've caught up.
- wyldfire 4y ago
  > and since Apple M1 came out 2 years ago, they are still unable to offer equivalent The fact that they can't keep up with their big competitor doesn't seem like evidence that they deliberately want things to stagnate. IIRC Apple is an architectural licensee but Qualcomm is not (though they were ~6 years ago). Back in the day, Qualcomm's designs were probably more competitive than the reference ones are today. Disclosure: I'm a Qualcomm employee.
- fomine3 4y ago
  Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. To be fair, only Apple could pay more cost for chip.

samwillis 4y ago

Apple have a perpetual architecture license from ARM, and having significantly expanded from it they have no reason to purchase ARM (other than to be anticompetitive)