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> It will be interesting to see if there's legislation in the future to encourage companies to open up unsupported devices instead of relying on the efforts of

> It will be interesting to see if there's legislation in the future to encourage companies to open up unsupported devices instead of relying on the efforts of enthusiasts to keep them out of e-waste streams. Especially when paired with their refusal to do security updates in perpetuity. If we want to be "green", you want people to re-use these devices a long time, especially since China has control of the rare earth mineral rights to make new ones.

hhh 4y ago
I don’t see a world that maintaining everything forever is viable. Things should die, be it software, silicon, or flesh.
- dontbenebby 4y ago
  Ok. Then don't try to make someone die, via the courts, if they do what they want with their silicon. It WILL die, eventually, when the physical components fail.
- UncleEntity 4y ago
  Throwing away a perfectly good device just because they want to sell you a new one seems like such a waste to me. My last iPhone was out of support and had the replacement battery going bad before I went to the trouble of getting a new one. The worst thing is it was perfectly functional (aside from the dodgy battery which could have been replaced again) and I would still be using it if there was an option to not become part of some random botnet. All I really need is to make a phone call once in a while, check the emails and surf the interwebs — don’t need a whole lot of processing power to do that. But now everyone and their dog makes you use their crappy app if you want to use their services and they only support “supported” devices (even though they could easily run on the older hardware) so you’re boned if you want some semblance of a modern life. Don’t even get me started on how long I use laptops which can be upgraded virtually forever…
- randomdata 4y ago
  The problem here is that software years and silicon years are not equal but certain legal mandates believe them to be.
  - dontbenebby 4y ago
    > The problem here is that software years and silicon years are not equal but certain legal mandates believe them to be. Who cares? I see folks violate legal mandates all the time. I've had people on this site flip out when I point out that if they want to do felonies all day, folks might do felonies back. It's a weird way of thinking, that only the laws that allow you to lock someone up for physically attacking you or stealing from you are valid, but you can electronically attack someone with pretty much near impunity apparently.

hhh 4y ago

I don’t see a world that maintaining everything forever is viable. Things should die, be it software, silicon, or flesh.

dontbenebby 4y ago
Ok. Then don't try to make someone die, via the courts, if they do what they want with their silicon. It WILL die, eventually, when the physical components fail.
UncleEntity 4y ago
Throwing away a perfectly good device just because they want to sell you a new one seems like such a waste to me. My last iPhone was out of support and had the replacement battery going bad before I went to the trouble of getting a new one. The worst thing is it was perfectly functional (aside from the dodgy battery which could have been replaced again) and I would still be using it if there was an option to not become part of some random botnet. All I really need is to make a phone call once in a while, check the emails and surf the interwebs — don’t need a whole lot of processing power to do that. But now everyone and their dog makes you use their crappy app if you want to use their services and they only support “supported” devices (even though they could easily run on the older hardware) so you’re boned if you want some semblance of a modern life. Don’t even get me started on how long I use laptops which can be upgraded virtually forever…
randomdata 4y ago
The problem here is that software years and silicon years are not equal but certain legal mandates believe them to be.
- dontbenebby 4y ago
  > The problem here is that software years and silicon years are not equal but certain legal mandates believe them to be. Who cares? I see folks violate legal mandates all the time. I've had people on this site flip out when I point out that if they want to do felonies all day, folks might do felonies back. It's a weird way of thinking, that only the laws that allow you to lock someone up for physically attacking you or stealing from you are valid, but you can electronically attack someone with pretty much near impunity apparently.