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What a strange perspective to take. A "subsidized personal choice," as if there is some higher economic power that we are in service of, and those who decide to

by cowpig 4y ago

What a strange perspective to take. A "subsidized personal choice," as if there is some higher economic power that we are in service of, and those who decide to dedicate a third of our adult existence to the next generation are making some luxurious lifestyle choice.

brigandish 4y ago
Is it not a choice?
el_jay 4y ago
I suppose if we followed OP’s logic to its conclusion, we’d find that when it comes to parenthood: you must be this net worthy to ride.
- knorker 4y ago
  Not at all. Poor people successfully raise kids every day. And I want schools to get more of my tax money, if for no other reason than that I want to be in a world of smarter people. (And there are other reasons, that are more important) But it is a life choice. Other ones are to become an artist. But barely anyone says that anyone who chooses to be an artist (bad or not) deserves for "someone else" to foot the bill for their life. Or maybe you'd be happier we me saying that yes, in the same way that you must be this net worthy to collect fancy cars. Makes it easier, sure. But nobody owes paying for your choices.
  - el_jay 4y ago
    To do the work of fulfilling our most fundamental evolutionary urge, and perpetuate the future of humanity is a “lifestyle choice” isomorphic to “choosing to be an artist” or “collecting fancy cars”? You may feel that having kids is an optional luxury; the evidence suggests this is not a majority perspective.
    - knorker 4y ago
      I'd argue that sex is an even stronger fundamental urge. Yet there's no right to sex, and rape is illegal.
throw827474737 4y ago
??? What is it then? Your duty you owe to society? If that would be the case and people would do all this sacrifices just for society and this wouldn't be a deeply ingrained wish to replicate, put oneself into the next generation and have to do a lot with self-realization, then our societies would be much better. But fact is our world is overpopulated, it would.be better if we'd size down, and we have superegoistic societies in general. (But who would push our wheel chairs if we all wouldn't be so superaltruistic and raise children? Simple answer is there still would be enough, because people want children, even if it is a lot of sacrifice. I fully agree that it costs a lot and is a huge sacrifice, still its a free personal (if you so want lifestyle) choice that most won't regret.. or do you?

by cowpig 4y ago

brigandish 4y ago

Is it not a choice?

el_jay 4y ago

I suppose if we followed OP’s logic to its conclusion, we’d find that when it comes to parenthood: you must be this net worthy to ride.

knorker 4y ago
Not at all. Poor people successfully raise kids every day. And I want schools to get more of my tax money, if for no other reason than that I want to be in a world of smarter people. (And there are other reasons, that are more important) But it is a life choice. Other ones are to become an artist. But barely anyone says that anyone who chooses to be an artist (bad or not) deserves for "someone else" to foot the bill for their life. Or maybe you'd be happier we me saying that yes, in the same way that you must be this net worthy to collect fancy cars. Makes it easier, sure. But nobody owes paying for your choices.
- el_jay 4y ago
  To do the work of fulfilling our most fundamental evolutionary urge, and perpetuate the future of humanity is a “lifestyle choice” isomorphic to “choosing to be an artist” or “collecting fancy cars”? You may feel that having kids is an optional luxury; the evidence suggests this is not a majority perspective.
  - knorker 4y ago
    I'd argue that sex is an even stronger fundamental urge. Yet there's no right to sex, and rape is illegal.

throw827474737 4y ago

??? What is it then? Your duty you owe to society? If that would be the case and people would do all this sacrifices just for society and this wouldn't be a deeply ingrained wish to replicate, put oneself into the next generation and have to do a lot with self-realization, then our societies would be much better. But fact is our world is overpopulated, it would.be better if we'd size down, and we have superegoistic societies in general. (But who would push our wheel chairs if we all wouldn't be so superaltruistic and raise children? Simple answer is there still would be enough, because people want children, even if it is a lot of sacrifice. I fully agree that it costs a lot and is a huge sacrifice, still its a free personal (if you so want lifestyle) choice that most won't regret.. or do you?