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Men have to put up with such abuse harassment and dickery all the time online. Welcome to the internet. Unfortunately us men can't just play the "sexism" card.

matt_yoho 15y ago
So perhaps it would be generally beneficial to simply oppose online "dickery" and bullying across the board, particularly in cases where there's a component of implied threat beyond the virtual world. "Men are treated unfairly" is an unsympathetic point, even when true.
ugh 15y ago
Examples? It’s rough on the internet, sure, but were I a woman I would think long and hard about revealing my gender. Women are quite visibly treated differently and everyone being oblivious to this sexism (or even belittling it) doesn’t really help.
- _delirium 15y ago
  Stacy Horn has some good examples applied to both genders, even in the 1990s, in her book Cyberville (http://www.amazon.com/dp/044651909X http://www.amazon.com/dp/044651909X), an account of her time running ECHO. Even if only a small percentage of your users are insane, a large community seems to get a few. I do agree women are visibly treated differently, especially in the sense of pervasive weird harassment, like random sexual or hostile comments from dozens/hundreds of users for no reason. The specific issue of crazy stalkers trying to get you fired may also apply to women more frequently, but I'm less sure of that--- 4chan has a history of doing that sort of stuff, mostly to males, and bloggers and website admins who piss people off get it all the time. Both Richard Kyanka of SomethingAwful and Rusty Foster of Kuro5hin have writeups floating around somewhere of some of the harassment they and their families have received due to running popular forums (in rusty's case it more or less caused him to check out). Not really sure what to do about the stalker problem, since that appears (in this case, at least) to have been a single person, and problems that one-in-a-million people can cause are difficult to stamp out. The pervasive harassment problem, of course, could and should be fixed.
pnathan 15y ago
No. No, we don't. I've been online for years, and men never get this particular kind of tripe thrown in their faces. It's a pretty unique kind of anger that comes out.
- maximusprime 15y ago
  You've not been on IRC have you...
  - pnathan 15y ago
    Since '98.
  - floatboth 15y ago
    What IRC channels? I never saw a troll on freenode, for example. Not a very frequent visitor, but still.
    - burgerbrain 15y ago
      #ubuntu and #fedora on freenode are both full of trolling, albeit of a less "harassment" style. And oh god, ##linux.... On the other hand, #vim is absolutely lovely, so the problem is clearly not systemic.

matt_yoho 15y ago

So perhaps it would be generally beneficial to simply oppose online "dickery" and bullying across the board, particularly in cases where there's a component of implied threat beyond the virtual world. "Men are treated unfairly" is an unsympathetic point, even when true.

ugh 15y ago

Examples? It’s rough on the internet, sure, but were I a woman I would think long and hard about revealing my gender. Women are quite visibly treated differently and everyone being oblivious to this sexism (or even belittling it) doesn’t really help.

_delirium 15y ago
Stacy Horn has some good examples applied to both genders, even in the 1990s, in her book Cyberville (http://www.amazon.com/dp/044651909X http://www.amazon.com/dp/044651909X), an account of her time running ECHO. Even if only a small percentage of your users are insane, a large community seems to get a few. I do agree women are visibly treated differently, especially in the sense of pervasive weird harassment, like random sexual or hostile comments from dozens/hundreds of users for no reason. The specific issue of crazy stalkers trying to get you fired may also apply to women more frequently, but I'm less sure of that--- 4chan has a history of doing that sort of stuff, mostly to males, and bloggers and website admins who piss people off get it all the time. Both Richard Kyanka of SomethingAwful and Rusty Foster of Kuro5hin have writeups floating around somewhere of some of the harassment they and their families have received due to running popular forums (in rusty's case it more or less caused him to check out). Not really sure what to do about the stalker problem, since that appears (in this case, at least) to have been a single person, and problems that one-in-a-million people can cause are difficult to stamp out. The pervasive harassment problem, of course, could and should be fixed.

pnathan 15y ago

No. No, we don't. I've been online for years, and men never get this particular kind of tripe thrown in their faces. It's a pretty unique kind of anger that comes out.

maximusprime 15y ago
You've not been on IRC have you...
- pnathan 15y ago
  Since '98.
- floatboth 15y ago
  What IRC channels? I never saw a troll on freenode, for example. Not a very frequent visitor, but still.
  - burgerbrain 15y ago
    #ubuntu and #fedora on freenode are both full of trolling, albeit of a less "harassment" style. And oh god, ##linux.... On the other hand, #vim is absolutely lovely, so the problem is clearly not systemic.