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Before I became the "respectable pillar of professional society" I am today, I was a smart-mouthed kid with a major anti-authority streak (that I retain to a le

Before I became the "respectable pillar of professional society" I am today, I was a smart-mouthed kid with a major anti-authority streak (that I retain to a lesser extent to this day). I think it was an essential part of my personal development. I shudder to think about how similar kids will be treated today, since they're definitely going to turn these on unruly students if deployed. Will they effectively stop mass shooters? I have my doubts, but they'll certainly make kids terrified to fuck up at school.

buran77 4y ago
They will turn into exactly what they have to be turned into. A generation of people who obediently listen to authority without question, one used to being surveilled at all times, controlled at all times, getting directions rather than setting them. And that's the important part for the current generation of leaders. And it's not that such a drone would literally be effective against unruly students but because it will normalize the idea of pervasive surveillance, the students will internalize that it's absolutely normal and inescapable to be controlled and have all rules enforced on them at all times. They will get the occasional "bread and circus", they will be sold the illusion that they have freedoms, democracy, rights, and when those are routinely taken away from some people, none of the others will object because of all the points above.
- kodah 4y ago
  I actually disagree. I was the same kind of kid as OP, very punk rock and anti-authority. Kids do, in my experience, get that way for a reason. Usually it's seeing systemic abuse from a source a kid has, when you grow up it seems insignificant in retrospect, but at the time it likely looked like most major authorities do when you're an adult. That said, continuing to expose myself to systems and situations like that can easily diverge the path of becoming a "well adjusted adult". It is possible they could be broken and made subservient, but I think it's more likely you'll see even further rejection of the system, and rejection of it's future influence.
  - buran77 4y ago
    I'm sorry but I feel like you not only missed my point entirely but made new points that have major weaknesses. You stated a problem but failed to show how a taser drone is the only solution or even a solution. You also didn't say which part you actually disagree with. Because you didn't understand that what I'm saying is that the taser drone lurks over the shoulder of every child, it buries itself deep in all of their subconsciouses. Even the best and the brightest. It forces all of them to internalize the idea that they're always going to be kept under surveillance and threat of extreme punishment. You blame "systemic abuse from a source a kid" for becoming a certain way but completely ignore that this would be dwarfed by the fantastically traumatizing thought that a dystopian robot will come after you if you do something wrong. I find it absolutely baffling that anyone could have any words for this that aren't an absolute rejection of the idea. This is obviously a cash grab by the company proposing this, a boon for the country's leaders who get to shape a new "obedient" generation, and something traumatizing on an inconceivable scale for any child. If you want to solve school shootings and genuinely think that this is the only or best way to do it then you were failed by every support system that should have been there for you ever, and now you're doing the same to the next generation. You can't replace education and proper human support systems with explosive collars which will eliminate threats as they occur at the low cost of some blood spray.
    - kodah 4y ago
      I think you got hung up on the "I disagree" part, I could've expanded on it more directly. I disagree that it'd only create subservience; I think it'd also cause a lot of revolution and violence - which is not what you want in a school setting or learned as life lessons either. I don't think this is a useful tool for stopping school shootings and I wasn't endorsing the idea.
rayiner 4y ago
That’s great for you. How about all of the lost education of your classmates from teachers having to spend time and energy dealing with your pernicious individualism?
- TaylorAlexander 4y ago
  That doesn’t mean that attack drones are the solution to unruly kids.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    The solution isn’t more of whatever we are doing now. We may have the worst behaved children in the entire world.
    - para_parolu 4y ago
      May or may not.
    - Hamuko 4y ago
      >We may have the worst behaved children in the entire world. On what metric?
      - moistly 4y ago
        School killings. Behavior doesn’t get worse than that, and it’s off the charts in America.
        Hamuko 4y ago
        But does that mean that American are the worst behaved in the world, or the most armed?
        rayiner 4y ago
        The US has been “the most armed” pretty much for its whole history. The fraction of households that own guns has been going down for decades, to the point where today it’s similar to where France was in the 1970s and 1980s. Yet school shootings are pretty much a phenomenon that began in the 1990s with the kids of boomers entering high school.

buran77 4y ago

They will turn into exactly what they have to be turned into. A generation of people who obediently listen to authority without question, one used to being surveilled at all times, controlled at all times, getting directions rather than setting them. And that's the important part for the current generation of leaders. And it's not that such a drone would literally be effective against unruly students but because it will normalize the idea of pervasive surveillance, the students will internalize that it's absolutely normal and inescapable to be controlled and have all rules enforced on them at all times. They will get the occasional "bread and circus", they will be sold the illusion that they have freedoms, democracy, rights, and when those are routinely taken away from some people, none of the others will object because of all the points above.

kodah 4y ago
I actually disagree. I was the same kind of kid as OP, very punk rock and anti-authority. Kids do, in my experience, get that way for a reason. Usually it's seeing systemic abuse from a source a kid has, when you grow up it seems insignificant in retrospect, but at the time it likely looked like most major authorities do when you're an adult. That said, continuing to expose myself to systems and situations like that can easily diverge the path of becoming a "well adjusted adult". It is possible they could be broken and made subservient, but I think it's more likely you'll see even further rejection of the system, and rejection of it's future influence.
- buran77 4y ago
  I'm sorry but I feel like you not only missed my point entirely but made new points that have major weaknesses. You stated a problem but failed to show how a taser drone is the only solution or even a solution. You also didn't say which part you actually disagree with. Because you didn't understand that what I'm saying is that the taser drone lurks over the shoulder of every child, it buries itself deep in all of their subconsciouses. Even the best and the brightest. It forces all of them to internalize the idea that they're always going to be kept under surveillance and threat of extreme punishment. You blame "systemic abuse from a source a kid" for becoming a certain way but completely ignore that this would be dwarfed by the fantastically traumatizing thought that a dystopian robot will come after you if you do something wrong. I find it absolutely baffling that anyone could have any words for this that aren't an absolute rejection of the idea. This is obviously a cash grab by the company proposing this, a boon for the country's leaders who get to shape a new "obedient" generation, and something traumatizing on an inconceivable scale for any child. If you want to solve school shootings and genuinely think that this is the only or best way to do it then you were failed by every support system that should have been there for you ever, and now you're doing the same to the next generation. You can't replace education and proper human support systems with explosive collars which will eliminate threats as they occur at the low cost of some blood spray.
  - kodah 4y ago
    I think you got hung up on the "I disagree" part, I could've expanded on it more directly. I disagree that it'd only create subservience; I think it'd also cause a lot of revolution and violence - which is not what you want in a school setting or learned as life lessons either. I don't think this is a useful tool for stopping school shootings and I wasn't endorsing the idea.

rayiner 4y ago

That’s great for you. How about all of the lost education of your classmates from teachers having to spend time and energy dealing with your pernicious individualism?

TaylorAlexander 4y ago
That doesn’t mean that attack drones are the solution to unruly kids.
- rayiner 4y ago
  The solution isn’t more of whatever we are doing now. We may have the worst behaved children in the entire world.
  - para_parolu 4y ago
    May or may not.
  - Hamuko 4y ago
    >We may have the worst behaved children in the entire world. On what metric?
    - moistly 4y ago
      School killings. Behavior doesn’t get worse than that, and it’s off the charts in America.
      - Hamuko 4y ago
        But does that mean that American are the worst behaved in the world, or the most armed?
        rayiner 4y ago
        The US has been “the most armed” pretty much for its whole history. The fraction of households that own guns has been going down for decades, to the point where today it’s similar to where France was in the 1970s and 1980s. Yet school shootings are pretty much a phenomenon that began in the 1990s with the kids of boomers entering high school.