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I downvoted this comment as I disagree strongly with that statement: > git has absolutely no meaning for a child, it's a professional tool used for work It's

by ascar 4y ago

I downvoted this comment as I disagree strongly with that statement: > git has absolutely no meaning for a child, it's a professional tool used for work It's not just a professional tool for work. It's a version control system to version whatever you might think needs versioning. What's this attitude that software engineering tools and skills are just valuable for work? > you don't teach children how to operate a chainsaw, do you? A chainsaw is very dangerous to the kid. My dad certainly told me how to use a hammer, handsaw and many other tools. We built a lot of things together like wooden remote controlled airplanes. It was certainly neither to train me to become a woodworker or aerospace engineer. And I will certainly build computer games with my kid some day which will involve git (or its future equivalent) as one of the first lessons.

ushakov 4y ago
could you please explain to me why a 5-12 year old child needs "a version control system to version whatever you might think needs versioning"? like do you really think children are bothered with not being able to version-control files? is this an issue a lot of children are having? > software engineering tools and skills are just valuable for work? yes, work is still work, it doesn't matter if you're doing work as a fun hobby or as a job > I will certainly build computer games with my kid some day which will involve git yeah, why not also teach them law and performing a surgery? they'll have a great career potential, useful skills, much better than the other children!
- viraptor 4y ago
  > like do you really think children are bothered with not being able to version-control files? I've used lots of "...-1.zip" files to preserve my files when learning coding for fun, so yes, someone showing me git (if it existed at the time) would help. It took me a few extra years to discover CVS/SVN. (the system itself was exciting) > yeah, why not also teach them law and performing a surgery? There are kids actually interested in law and finding the concept fun. You may be also shocked that I was really into accounting my allowance and spending in a double entry system. Surgery would be hard for practical/legal reasons, but I know two really young kids, one obsessed with the idea of performing medical procedures, the other with being a paramedic. (and not in a silly "I wanna grow up to be a doctor", but rather "I've found a first aid course for kids I want to do") What I'm trying to say is, don't assume kids are pushed / forced to do things like that. Some of them really enjoy things adults find hard / boring / too work related.
- ascar 4y ago
  I agree with everything viraptor said in the sibling comment and just wanna add: > yes, work is still work, it doesn't matter if you're doing work as a fun hobby or as a job No it's not work. You do work to get paid if you like a particular task or not. You do your hobby for yourself because you enjoy doing it and you just stop if you want to. I certainly won't force my kids to do that. I will try to get them into the subject with patience and let it go if they gave it a fair shot and don't like it. It matters a great deal if you do something for work or fun.
- sp332 4y ago
  > like do you really think children are bothered with not being able to version-control files? is this an issue a lot of children are having? Of course, everyone wants an "undo" button and lower consequences for experimentation. I really wanted one from the very first programs I wrote when I was 9 years old and don't have one. I had no intention of making a career of it and had no one to share programs with. Completely irrelevant.

by ascar 4y ago

ushakov 4y ago

could you please explain to me why a 5-12 year old child needs "a version control system to version whatever you might think needs versioning"? like do you really think children are bothered with not being able to version-control files? is this an issue a lot of children are having? > software engineering tools and skills are just valuable for work? yes, work is still work, it doesn't matter if you're doing work as a fun hobby or as a job > I will certainly build computer games with my kid some day which will involve git yeah, why not also teach them law and performing a surgery? they'll have a great career potential, useful skills, much better than the other children!

viraptor 4y ago
> like do you really think children are bothered with not being able to version-control files? I've used lots of "...-1.zip" files to preserve my files when learning coding for fun, so yes, someone showing me git (if it existed at the time) would help. It took me a few extra years to discover CVS/SVN. (the system itself was exciting) > yeah, why not also teach them law and performing a surgery? There are kids actually interested in law and finding the concept fun. You may be also shocked that I was really into accounting my allowance and spending in a double entry system. Surgery would be hard for practical/legal reasons, but I know two really young kids, one obsessed with the idea of performing medical procedures, the other with being a paramedic. (and not in a silly "I wanna grow up to be a doctor", but rather "I've found a first aid course for kids I want to do") What I'm trying to say is, don't assume kids are pushed / forced to do things like that. Some of them really enjoy things adults find hard / boring / too work related.
ascar 4y ago
I agree with everything viraptor said in the sibling comment and just wanna add: > yes, work is still work, it doesn't matter if you're doing work as a fun hobby or as a job No it's not work. You do work to get paid if you like a particular task or not. You do your hobby for yourself because you enjoy doing it and you just stop if you want to. I certainly won't force my kids to do that. I will try to get them into the subject with patience and let it go if they gave it a fair shot and don't like it. It matters a great deal if you do something for work or fun.
sp332 4y ago
> like do you really think children are bothered with not being able to version-control files? is this an issue a lot of children are having? Of course, everyone wants an "undo" button and lower consequences for experimentation. I really wanted one from the very first programs I wrote when I was 9 years old and don't have one. I had no intention of making a career of it and had no one to share programs with. Completely irrelevant.