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> I'm truly sick of seeing people throwing a fit over vaccines. Only over certain vaccines in this case. Vaccines which have not undergone the normal testing b

> I'm truly sick of seeing people throwing a fit over vaccines. Only over certain vaccines in this case. Vaccines which have not undergone the normal testing but which have been pushed into use and mandated without stringent safety checks. > They're safe These vaccines are not proven to be as safe as most other vaccines > effective These vaccines have not proven to be as effective as promised > and protect others These vaccines do not protect against infection - there are indications that those who received the 'booster' dose have a higher rate of infection compared to those from the same cohorts who did not receive 'boosters' - and as such do not protect others. > People need to stop being such babies over this There are several laws which mandate bodily integrity, there are whole protest movements which loudly proclaim 'my body, my choice'. Given the above stated facts of these vaccines not being proven safe, not being nearly as effective as claimed and not protecting others it is a very rational choice to forego vaccination. > Just get the stupid shot Go ahead > A huge problem of the 21st century is that everyone feels like they need to have an opinion That is what you get in a liberal democracy/constitutional republic, people get to make their own choices. There are several movements which want to do away with these institutions to go/return to some more authoritarian form of control. I do not support those movements and I can only assume that you don't support them either. One person, one vote. > It's fine to listen to scientists No, it is not. It is wise to read what 'scientists' - between quotes because the term has taken a beating in the last few decades - produce with a critical [1] eye. Academia can produce the most astounding gobbledygook under the guise of 'science' as was proven (again) by the Grievance studies affair [2,3,4] > and care about others Why do you connect 'listen[ing] to scientists' with 'and care for others'? These two are not connected at all. ... [1] as in 'being critical', not as 'through the lens of critical theory' [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievance_studies_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievance_studies_affair [3] https://areomagazine.com/2018/10/02/academic-grievance-studies-and-the-corruption-of-scholarship/ https://areomagazine.com/2018/10/02/academic-grievance-studi... [4] https://quillette.com/2018/10/01/the-grievance-studies-scandal-five-academics-respond/ https://quillette.com/2018/10/01/the-grievance-studies-scand...

mdp2021 4y ago
> Why do you connect The poster was (to my reading) not connecting them, it was a pure conjunction of A and B: as in, "be open to trust" [good luck] and also "be open to an act of giving" (the poster must have assumed that those unvaccinated are selfish and did not consider the good effect of their vaccination on the rest of society). Of course, others have retracted trust on observational basis or have found other ways to avoid damaging others.
- the_third_wave 4y ago
  The connection is made by mentioning the two concepts - listening to scientists and caring for others - in the same (short) sentence as though there is a relationship between the former and the latter.
  - mdp2021 4y ago
    I am afraid the intended relation may have been "stubborn and egoist"¹. (The relation would be anterior to the two terms, it would be within that alleged profile.) After all, my friend, the poster is convinced they are babies... (¹So, logically, as you are reasoning, the poster formulated, in a deontic context, "▫¬S ∧ ▫¬E".) Edit: of course, when I wrote «was not connecting them», I meant "in a non-syntactic relation (causal etc)".
- Markoff 4y ago
  there is nothing selfish about giving priority to your own health over health of stranger, it's just basic self preservation, and that's assuming these vaccines would slow the spread, which they clearly don't, same as they don't stop you from getting infected, same as they don't stop you from having symptoms, so they can be hardly called vaccines even if they would slow down spread I'm not going to risk my own health with dangerous vaccine against something which ain't dangerous to me (not drinking, not smoking, exercising, having very healthy weight) to help irresponsible people living irresponsible lifestyle as if it wasn't enough my insurance money being wasted on them
  - 4y ago

mdp2021 4y ago

> Why do you connect The poster was (to my reading) not connecting them, it was a pure conjunction of A and B: as in, "be open to trust" [good luck] and also "be open to an act of giving" (the poster must have assumed that those unvaccinated are selfish and did not consider the good effect of their vaccination on the rest of society). Of course, others have retracted trust on observational basis or have found other ways to avoid damaging others.

the_third_wave 4y ago
The connection is made by mentioning the two concepts - listening to scientists and caring for others - in the same (short) sentence as though there is a relationship between the former and the latter.
- mdp2021 4y ago
  I am afraid the intended relation may have been "stubborn and egoist"¹. (The relation would be anterior to the two terms, it would be within that alleged profile.) After all, my friend, the poster is convinced they are babies... (¹So, logically, as you are reasoning, the poster formulated, in a deontic context, "▫¬S ∧ ▫¬E".) Edit: of course, when I wrote «was not connecting them», I meant "in a non-syntactic relation (causal etc)".
Markoff 4y ago
there is nothing selfish about giving priority to your own health over health of stranger, it's just basic self preservation, and that's assuming these vaccines would slow the spread, which they clearly don't, same as they don't stop you from getting infected, same as they don't stop you from having symptoms, so they can be hardly called vaccines even if they would slow down spread I'm not going to risk my own health with dangerous vaccine against something which ain't dangerous to me (not drinking, not smoking, exercising, having very healthy weight) to help irresponsible people living irresponsible lifestyle as if it wasn't enough my insurance money being wasted on them
- 4y ago