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Correct! Curious to see how long this story remains unflagged, because flagging of any posts showing errors in official COVID claims tend to get killed very qui

Correct! Curious to see how long this story remains unflagged, because flagging of any posts showing errors in official COVID claims tend to get killed very quickly here. Here are even more popular-but-unpopular opinions (facts). We did not "all" think vaccines would have a meaningful impact on transmission. Sadly they never had any impact on transmission. A whole bunch of studies have measured the SAR split by vaccine status and there's no difference, that's not something specific to Omicron. Although health authorities claimed they would reduce transmission, they had no scientific basis on which to do so because the trials didn't test transmissibility, or even impact on severe illness or death. They only tested reduction in PCR positivity rates (and only symptomatic, iirc). People who were already checking the claims of public health authorities against the trial data knew this from day one, which is one reason so many people opted out of the vaccination process: if the vaccines are so great, why are they making unsupported claims with 100% confidence? Why lie? Sadly the answer seemed to be not for medical reasons, but because public health had become obsessed with total vaccination regardless of need. The means had become the end. Telling people the vaccines reduced transmission manipulated huge numbers of people into taking them, even if they weren't in any risk groups and knew it, just out of a sense of obligation to others. And then telling people vaccines reduced transmission enabled them to implement vaccine mandates by claiming the unvaccinated were dangerous to the vaccinated.

thematrixturtle 4y ago
You would probably get less downvotes if you provided some cites for these claims. Also, Occam's Razor to me indicates that people and governments entirely reasonably seized on vaccines as a way out of the mess last year, no grand conspiracies or intentional manipulation needed.
- NoPie 4y ago
  I think it will be the opposite. We really don't have much proof that vaccines reduced transmission. It could be to some extent but how meaningful was that? We also know that some governments but not all governments implemented vaccine mandates. For example, the UK was pretty lax on them but Germany was very strict. Occam's razor indicates that apparently some governments didn't have scientific basis for mandates. The opposite that they really had all scientific proof but somehow hid that from the public sounds like a conspiration theory and does not cut the mustard.
- native_samples 4y ago
  The citation for most of the claims is the vaccine trial reports themselves. As for not affecting transmission, I'm on my phone so can't give you links right now but just search Google Scholar and you'll find them. It's obvious anyway isn't it, just look at case numbers. People chased the vaccines because of the promise of effectiveness. That was reasonable. Going further and making up claims with no basis wasn't.

thematrixturtle 4y ago

You would probably get less downvotes if you provided some cites for these claims. Also, Occam's Razor to me indicates that people and governments entirely reasonably seized on vaccines as a way out of the mess last year, no grand conspiracies or intentional manipulation needed.

NoPie 4y ago
I think it will be the opposite. We really don't have much proof that vaccines reduced transmission. It could be to some extent but how meaningful was that? We also know that some governments but not all governments implemented vaccine mandates. For example, the UK was pretty lax on them but Germany was very strict. Occam's razor indicates that apparently some governments didn't have scientific basis for mandates. The opposite that they really had all scientific proof but somehow hid that from the public sounds like a conspiration theory and does not cut the mustard.
native_samples 4y ago
The citation for most of the claims is the vaccine trial reports themselves. As for not affecting transmission, I'm on my phone so can't give you links right now but just search Google Scholar and you'll find them. It's obvious anyway isn't it, just look at case numbers. People chased the vaccines because of the promise of effectiveness. That was reasonable. Going further and making up claims with no basis wasn't.