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You are jumping to a conclusion that — just because the parent taught something about "git", they didn't get to do anything else. Where did you get that idea fr

You are jumping to a conclusion that — just because the parent taught something about "git", they didn't get to do anything else. Where did you get that idea from? Nowhere did the parent say that this is the only thing their kid does. They may very well engage in a hundred more childhood activities in addition to this. Edit: numbers

ushakov 4y ago
i didn’t even imply this i only questioned the usefulness of teaching 5-12 year olds a concept no 5-12 year old needs unless they want to enter workforce at 13 (god save them from this)!
- rhn_mk1 4y ago
  > a concept no 5-12 year old needs That's a huge assumption here. At the base of what a human needs are the physiological needs. Do humans need art? Fun? Maths? Git? Where do you draw the line?
  - ushakov 4y ago
    i draw the line when parents train children skills, which are only useful in context of performing work
    - rhn_mk1 4y ago
      Then a lot of people don't need to learn maths beyond addition and multiplication. I prefer the opposite interpretation though: anything can become a hobby or puzzle. That puts nearly everything on the "ok" side of your line.
    - viraptor 4y ago
      That's not the only context. I would likely appreciate git at 12yo. I definitely enjoyed programming already and I believe that was the time I learned more about maths to code some music visualiser plugins and was sending fun examples back and forth with a friend. Git would've been useful.
    - ryukafalz 4y ago
      You don’t use git when you’re working on hobby programming projects?
    - anthomtb 4y ago
      Would you have the same objection if the guy were teaching his kid how to use a screwdriver?
    - tbrownaw 4y ago
      Isn't wanting to teach your kids the family trade a rather ancient tradition? Is there any particular reason behind saying that that's bad?
- rdsubhas 4y ago
  Fyi to anyone who reads your comment > because you can’t get your childhood back It seems to imply that the rest of childhood is lost because of git. You may want to correct or clarify your comment. Btw, childhood is a lot about throwaway exploring many things where we don't have to invent a purpose or utility for every single thing. It's all about spare time and trying things out with no strings attached. It doesn't matter if in some of their spare time they watch TV together, or go to movies together, or build a robot together, or code together. I think you're getting downvoted not because whether the utility is right or wrong, but because utility doesn't need to matter.
  - ushakov 4y ago
    i'm getting downvoted because they don't want to be called out for essentially job-training their child git has absolutely no meaning for a child, it's a professional tool used for work you don't teach children how to operate a chainsaw, do you?
    - ascar 4y ago
      I downvoted this comment as I disagree strongly with that statement: > git has absolutely no meaning for a child, it's a professional tool used for work It's not just a professional tool for work. It's a version control system to version whatever you might think needs versioning. What's this attitude that software engineering tools and skills are just valuable for work? > you don't teach children how to operate a chainsaw, do you? A chainsaw is very dangerous to the kid. My dad certainly told me how to use a hammer, handsaw and many other tools. We built a lot of things together like wooden remote controlled airplanes. It was certainly neither to train me to become a woodworker or aerospace engineer. And I will certainly build computer games with my kid some day which will involve git (or its future equivalent) as one of the first lessons.
      - ushakov 4y ago
        could you please explain to me why a 5-12 year old child needs "a version control system to version whatever you might think needs versioning"? like do you really think children are bothered with not being able to version-control files? is this an issue a lot of children are having? > software engineering tools and skills are just valuable for work? yes, work is still work, it doesn't matter if you're doing work as a fun hobby or as a job > I will certainly build computer games with my kid some day which will involve git yeah, why not also teach them law and performing a surgery? they'll have a great career potential, useful skills, much better than the other children!
- tremon 4y ago
  Why not? I got my first programming manual (for C64 Basic, of course) when I was 7, read Stroustrup at 14, and wrote x86 assembly as 16. I started working with CVS only at university, and wished that I'd known about it years before. But thank you for gratuitously denigrating my childhood.
  - ushakov 4y ago
    you're a tiny, tiny minority the overwhelming majority of the children don't need C64 Basic at 7, Stroustrup at 14 and x86 assembly at 16
    - samus 4y ago
      How can you assume that the kid that got shown `git`, is not part of that minority? I'd guess it very likely is.
    - tremon 4y ago
      Everyone is part of some tiny, tiny minority. It's the best thing about us. It doesn't matter if it's coding, aikido, collecting sea shells, or keeping ferrets. Denouncing one such tiny minority just because you don't see the value in it makes you sound very closed-minded and bigoted.
- deadcacheline 4y ago
  You said “shouldn’t” because you “can’t get childhood back” so you actually didn’t really imply it, you just stated it outright. It’s also a terrible take! “Don’t teach kids interesting and complex things, it might be related to something someone does for a living!”

ushakov 4y ago

i didn’t even imply this i only questioned the usefulness of teaching 5-12 year olds a concept no 5-12 year old needs unless they want to enter workforce at 13 (god save them from this)!

rhn_mk1 4y ago
> a concept no 5-12 year old needs That's a huge assumption here. At the base of what a human needs are the physiological needs. Do humans need art? Fun? Maths? Git? Where do you draw the line?
- ushakov 4y ago
  i draw the line when parents train children skills, which are only useful in context of performing work
  - rhn_mk1 4y ago
    Then a lot of people don't need to learn maths beyond addition and multiplication. I prefer the opposite interpretation though: anything can become a hobby or puzzle. That puts nearly everything on the "ok" side of your line.
  - viraptor 4y ago
    That's not the only context. I would likely appreciate git at 12yo. I definitely enjoyed programming already and I believe that was the time I learned more about maths to code some music visualiser plugins and was sending fun examples back and forth with a friend. Git would've been useful.
  - ryukafalz 4y ago
    You don’t use git when you’re working on hobby programming projects?
  - anthomtb 4y ago
    Would you have the same objection if the guy were teaching his kid how to use a screwdriver?
  - tbrownaw 4y ago
    Isn't wanting to teach your kids the family trade a rather ancient tradition? Is there any particular reason behind saying that that's bad?
rdsubhas 4y ago
Fyi to anyone who reads your comment > because you can’t get your childhood back It seems to imply that the rest of childhood is lost because of git. You may want to correct or clarify your comment. Btw, childhood is a lot about throwaway exploring many things where we don't have to invent a purpose or utility for every single thing. It's all about spare time and trying things out with no strings attached. It doesn't matter if in some of their spare time they watch TV together, or go to movies together, or build a robot together, or code together. I think you're getting downvoted not because whether the utility is right or wrong, but because utility doesn't need to matter.
- ushakov 4y ago
  i'm getting downvoted because they don't want to be called out for essentially job-training their child git has absolutely no meaning for a child, it's a professional tool used for work you don't teach children how to operate a chainsaw, do you?
  - ascar 4y ago
    I downvoted this comment as I disagree strongly with that statement: > git has absolutely no meaning for a child, it's a professional tool used for work It's not just a professional tool for work. It's a version control system to version whatever you might think needs versioning. What's this attitude that software engineering tools and skills are just valuable for work? > you don't teach children how to operate a chainsaw, do you? A chainsaw is very dangerous to the kid. My dad certainly told me how to use a hammer, handsaw and many other tools. We built a lot of things together like wooden remote controlled airplanes. It was certainly neither to train me to become a woodworker or aerospace engineer. And I will certainly build computer games with my kid some day which will involve git (or its future equivalent) as one of the first lessons.
    - ushakov 4y ago
      could you please explain to me why a 5-12 year old child needs "a version control system to version whatever you might think needs versioning"? like do you really think children are bothered with not being able to version-control files? is this an issue a lot of children are having? > software engineering tools and skills are just valuable for work? yes, work is still work, it doesn't matter if you're doing work as a fun hobby or as a job > I will certainly build computer games with my kid some day which will involve git yeah, why not also teach them law and performing a surgery? they'll have a great career potential, useful skills, much better than the other children!
tremon 4y ago
Why not? I got my first programming manual (for C64 Basic, of course) when I was 7, read Stroustrup at 14, and wrote x86 assembly as 16. I started working with CVS only at university, and wished that I'd known about it years before. But thank you for gratuitously denigrating my childhood.
- ushakov 4y ago
  you're a tiny, tiny minority the overwhelming majority of the children don't need C64 Basic at 7, Stroustrup at 14 and x86 assembly at 16
  - samus 4y ago
    How can you assume that the kid that got shown `git`, is not part of that minority? I'd guess it very likely is.
  - tremon 4y ago
    Everyone is part of some tiny, tiny minority. It's the best thing about us. It doesn't matter if it's coding, aikido, collecting sea shells, or keeping ferrets. Denouncing one such tiny minority just because you don't see the value in it makes you sound very closed-minded and bigoted.
deadcacheline 4y ago
You said “shouldn’t” because you “can’t get childhood back” so you actually didn’t really imply it, you just stated it outright. It’s also a terrible take! “Don’t teach kids interesting and complex things, it might be related to something someone does for a living!”