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Anyone could have done this by mistake, all it'd take is being a bit tired and @ing the wrong group. The question is - why doesn't the platform warn you that y

Anyone could have done this by mistake, all it'd take is being a bit tired and @ing the wrong group. The question is - why doesn't the platform warn you that you're going to send notifications to a large number of people in the same way that many email clients do?

microtherion 4y ago
Or in the way that `rn` used to do when posting to Usenet: > This program posts news to thousands of machines throughout the entire civilized world. Your message will cost the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars to send everywhere. Please be sure you know what you are doing.
gnufied 4y ago
Yeah not sure why calls for getting the poster banned from Github - https://github.com/EpicGames/Signup/pull/24#issuecomment-1146720322 https://github.com/EpicGames/Signup/pull/24#issuecomment-114... . Seems bit excessive, murphy's law applies. Also the poster is essentially a kid. I would hold my judgement before flaming him fwiw.
- smcleod 4y ago
  Regardless of the mass notification or a bad quality PR - you don't just remove someone from a major internet platform like this, it's an inhumane response to someone making a mistake. Not to mention it's just a notification, who really cares unless it happens all the time which is just more of an argument to fix the platform behaviour. Some people are so high and mighty.
  - woojoo666 4y ago
    If it's possible for somebody to unintentionally piss off hundreds of thousands of people, that's not the person's fault. It's the system's. The internet allows proliferation of information at scale and speeds that can be disasterous if left unchecked
    - k8sToGo 4y ago
      Why do people get so easily pissed off? Can't you just ignore the email?
      - danuker 4y ago
        5 seconds times 500.000 people paid at $40/hr gives $27.7k.
      - rvnx 4y ago
        You pay 0.10 USD per 1000 e-mails received on Amazon SES
  - thrwyoilarticle 4y ago
    I was 'removed from an internet platform' when I was a kid inadvertently breaking the rules by posting off-topic threads in the wrong Sci-Fi community subforum. So apparently we do just do it.
- romanovcode 4y ago
  Some people just want to be outraged for the sake of being outraged. Looking at the persons who wants the kid to be banned GH profile - I would not expect any other reaction.
- Kevcmk 4y ago
  Can you imagine how miserable you'd have to be to overreact this hard to an eighteen-year-old sending you a PR
- bobobob420 4y ago
  People always take stuff too seriously…this is cute in a weird internet way. To loose your mind over such a thing is not good
- cycomanic 4y ago
  The people who call for his ban in that thread should at least be consistent and call for banning themselves as well, because with their reply they just did the same thing.
- dan-robertson 4y ago
  Why even make a judgement when you could just not flame either way?
- serial_dev 4y ago
  Totally excessive. In my opinion, people should treat this incident with the "blameless post mortem" mentality in mind. Don't blame the individual for an innocent mistake (we don't know if he knew that it would trigger 400k notifications). He is young and might be inexperienced, so we should be forgiving. Think about why the system is set up in a way that an untrusted contributor can trigger so many notifications with a PR that is of little value. That is a much harder problem to solve, so that is why some people go to the easy solution ("ban him, he is an evil bad person, gross social misconduct").
Blackthorn 4y ago
> The question is - why doesn't the platform warn you that you're going to send notifications to a large number of people in the same way that many email clients do? The real question is why is it allowed to send at all? Depending on human judgment to stop spamming is a poor decision because bad actors don't care. I discovered this and GitHub s hilariously terrible setup a week ago when another large repository became a spam source and GitHub offered no easy way to unsubscribe.

microtherion 4y ago

Or in the way that `rn` used to do when posting to Usenet: > This program posts news to thousands of machines throughout the entire civilized world. Your message will cost the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars to send everywhere. Please be sure you know what you are doing.

gnufied 4y ago

Yeah not sure why calls for getting the poster banned from Github - https://github.com/EpicGames/Signup/pull/24#issuecomment-1146720322 https://github.com/EpicGames/Signup/pull/24#issuecomment-114... . Seems bit excessive, murphy's law applies. Also the poster is essentially a kid. I would hold my judgement before flaming him fwiw.

smcleod 4y ago
Regardless of the mass notification or a bad quality PR - you don't just remove someone from a major internet platform like this, it's an inhumane response to someone making a mistake. Not to mention it's just a notification, who really cares unless it happens all the time which is just more of an argument to fix the platform behaviour. Some people are so high and mighty.
- woojoo666 4y ago
  If it's possible for somebody to unintentionally piss off hundreds of thousands of people, that's not the person's fault. It's the system's. The internet allows proliferation of information at scale and speeds that can be disasterous if left unchecked
  - k8sToGo 4y ago
    Why do people get so easily pissed off? Can't you just ignore the email?
    - danuker 4y ago
      5 seconds times 500.000 people paid at $40/hr gives $27.7k.
    - rvnx 4y ago
      You pay 0.10 USD per 1000 e-mails received on Amazon SES
- thrwyoilarticle 4y ago
  I was 'removed from an internet platform' when I was a kid inadvertently breaking the rules by posting off-topic threads in the wrong Sci-Fi community subforum. So apparently we do just do it.
romanovcode 4y ago
Some people just want to be outraged for the sake of being outraged. Looking at the persons who wants the kid to be banned GH profile - I would not expect any other reaction.
Kevcmk 4y ago
Can you imagine how miserable you'd have to be to overreact this hard to an eighteen-year-old sending you a PR
bobobob420 4y ago
People always take stuff too seriously…this is cute in a weird internet way. To loose your mind over such a thing is not good
cycomanic 4y ago
The people who call for his ban in that thread should at least be consistent and call for banning themselves as well, because with their reply they just did the same thing.
dan-robertson 4y ago
Why even make a judgement when you could just not flame either way?
serial_dev 4y ago
Totally excessive. In my opinion, people should treat this incident with the "blameless post mortem" mentality in mind. Don't blame the individual for an innocent mistake (we don't know if he knew that it would trigger 400k notifications). He is young and might be inexperienced, so we should be forgiving. Think about why the system is set up in a way that an untrusted contributor can trigger so many notifications with a PR that is of little value. That is a much harder problem to solve, so that is why some people go to the easy solution ("ban him, he is an evil bad person, gross social misconduct").

Blackthorn 4y ago

> The question is - why doesn't the platform warn you that you're going to send notifications to a large number of people in the same way that many email clients do? The real question is why is it allowed to send at all? Depending on human judgment to stop spamming is a poor decision because bad actors don't care. I discovered this and GitHub s hilariously terrible setup a week ago when another large repository became a spam source and GitHub offered no easy way to unsubscribe.