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Russia population is declining. That's why they kidnap Ukrainian children by hundreds thousands. They also mobilize all men in occupied territories. Virtually a

Russia population is declining. That's why they kidnap Ukrainian children by hundreds thousands. They also mobilize all men in occupied territories. Virtually all men in DNR/LNR are mobilized and sent as a 2d class cannon fodder in front of russian forces. Same seems to be in plans in occupied Herson and Zaporizhzhia regions. Adding 40mill Ukrainians to "russia" and then use them to attack other countries is the name of the game.

rasz 4y ago
For context because due to the high number people seem to discount this as western war propaganda, so straight from horses mouth: https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1524843197951795200 https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1524843197951795200 "Russia's Presidential Commissioner for Children’s Rights Maria Lvova-Belova: More than 190,000 children had arrived in Russia from Donbass by early May, including about 1,200 coming from orphanages in the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics." Russians themselves are bragging about kidnapping 190K children.
- wrp 4y ago
  This looks like a genuine humanitarian mission that someone is trying to spin as an atrocity.
  - rasz 4y ago
    If China invaded your country and started shipping children to Xinjiang would you also call this a genuine humanitarian mission?
  - type0 4y ago
    A "genuine humanitarian mission", called genocide. They already count kidnapped children that still have parents in Ukraine as orphans, mainly since Russians are planning to make them that.
  - hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
    Or they could just stop killing people so no such "humanitarian mission" would be necessary.
- thriftwy 4y ago
  Have you heard the word 'refugees'? Western war propaganda is framing refugees to Russia as kidnapped and forcibly held.
  - rasz 4y ago
    Refugee is someone running away from the aggressor. not being forcibly relocated to reeducation camps. One example from two months ago https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-forcibly-moved-mariupol-children-6000-miles-away-ukraine-official-2022-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-forcibly-moved-mariup...
    - thriftwy 4y ago
      So you can only be refugee if you agree to your war propaganda narrative, right? Run in the right direction - refugee, run in the wrong direction - kidnapping victim. But there is a link to an original article, so you can skip straight to it: https://www-newsvl-ru.translate.goog/society/2022/04/22/208537/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc https://www-newsvl-ru.translate.goog/society/2022/04/22/2085... "children will be made to take Russian language classes" is the funniest piece of FUD considering Mariupol is predominantly Russian-speaking city. No support for "forced" relocation claims provided.
      - rasz 4y ago
        It might be hilarious to you, but Im old enough to have been forced to learn Russian in primary school.
        thriftwy 4y ago
        Does this mean you can be sympathetic towards the people who are forced to learn Ukrainian in school?
  - hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
    This is the same case as with many others in this war: people are confused because they don't realize a large part of Ukraine has been inhabited by Russians for generations. They really feel like Russians, speaking only in Russian, and until recently there was no problem with that. Now, after the war broke out, many of these people needed to pick up sides. Are they with those who shoot at them from the East, that were supposed to be their own, or with those from the West, who are shooting their own? Many of them just didn't want to make this choice. Some decided to collaborate with the invaders, which is common in the eastern areas. Some decided they want to have nothing to do with the aggressors and are now starting to learn Ukrainian. I know people from each of these groups personally and it never occurred me to judge their choices. Now, external observers tend to simplify everything into black-and-white game. I understand it's easier for the media to portray it like this, but it's inaccurate and basically untrue.

rasz 4y ago

For context because due to the high number people seem to discount this as western war propaganda, so straight from horses mouth: https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1524843197951795200 https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1524843197951795200 "Russia's Presidential Commissioner for Children’s Rights Maria Lvova-Belova: More than 190,000 children had arrived in Russia from Donbass by early May, including about 1,200 coming from orphanages in the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics." Russians themselves are bragging about kidnapping 190K children.

wrp 4y ago
This looks like a genuine humanitarian mission that someone is trying to spin as an atrocity.
- rasz 4y ago
  If China invaded your country and started shipping children to Xinjiang would you also call this a genuine humanitarian mission?
- type0 4y ago
  A "genuine humanitarian mission", called genocide. They already count kidnapped children that still have parents in Ukraine as orphans, mainly since Russians are planning to make them that.
- hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
  Or they could just stop killing people so no such "humanitarian mission" would be necessary.
thriftwy 4y ago
Have you heard the word 'refugees'? Western war propaganda is framing refugees to Russia as kidnapped and forcibly held.
- rasz 4y ago
  Refugee is someone running away from the aggressor. not being forcibly relocated to reeducation camps. One example from two months ago https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-forcibly-moved-mariupol-children-6000-miles-away-ukraine-official-2022-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-forcibly-moved-mariup...
  - thriftwy 4y ago
    So you can only be refugee if you agree to your war propaganda narrative, right? Run in the right direction - refugee, run in the wrong direction - kidnapping victim. But there is a link to an original article, so you can skip straight to it: https://www-newsvl-ru.translate.goog/society/2022/04/22/208537/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc https://www-newsvl-ru.translate.goog/society/2022/04/22/2085... "children will be made to take Russian language classes" is the funniest piece of FUD considering Mariupol is predominantly Russian-speaking city. No support for "forced" relocation claims provided.
    - rasz 4y ago
      It might be hilarious to you, but Im old enough to have been forced to learn Russian in primary school.
      - thriftwy 4y ago
        Does this mean you can be sympathetic towards the people who are forced to learn Ukrainian in school?
- hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
  This is the same case as with many others in this war: people are confused because they don't realize a large part of Ukraine has been inhabited by Russians for generations. They really feel like Russians, speaking only in Russian, and until recently there was no problem with that. Now, after the war broke out, many of these people needed to pick up sides. Are they with those who shoot at them from the East, that were supposed to be their own, or with those from the West, who are shooting their own? Many of them just didn't want to make this choice. Some decided to collaborate with the invaders, which is common in the eastern areas. Some decided they want to have nothing to do with the aggressors and are now starting to learn Ukrainian. I know people from each of these groups personally and it never occurred me to judge their choices. Now, external observers tend to simplify everything into black-and-white game. I understand it's easier for the media to portray it like this, but it's inaccurate and basically untrue.