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well, i kinda gave up. the problem is not exclusive to browsers at this point. it's the entire OS stack we need to take back. that said, i appreciate the energ

well, i kinda gave up. the problem is not exclusive to browsers at this point. it's the entire OS stack we need to take back. that said, i appreciate the energy put towards making things change. features like protecting copy and paste, and stopping autoplay brought a smile to my face. the fight is right.

ohCh6zos 4y ago
We're at the point where both MacOS and Windows have an advertising ID. It can be anonymized, but I can't just turn it off.
- dynm 4y ago
  Not sure if this is true, but according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identifier_for_Advertisers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identifier_for_Advertisers you can opt out of this on MacOS by choosing the "Limit Ad Tracking" setting.
  - fsflover 4y ago
    Note how it says "limit", not "stop" ad tracking.
    - HWR_14 4y ago
      Yes, it says "limit" because Apple cannot guarantee all 3rd party ad tracking stops in every piece of software. What it does is set your personalized advertising ID to all 0s, making you indistinguishable from 20% of Apple users. That is, it completely opts you out of Apple's tracking ID that the poster was complaining about. I mentioned you can also turn off Windows personalized ID, but for some reason that post (and the instructions) were downvoted. The point remains that the advertising IDs the poster was talking about are optional from both Windows and Apple. Unless you consider the API returning a universal dummy value and not an error to be an issue.
      - ohCh6zos 4y ago
        I would argue the correct behavior is not sending it at all and having an error if the other side requests it. Why should my OS offer any information even a bucket of 20% of users?
- HWR_14 4y ago
  On windows you can trivially turn it off [1]. Heck, it even prompts you to decide when you install the OS. [1] On both 10&11: Start > Settings > Privacy & security > General. The name of the option differs between two, but look for the options that starts with "Let apps" and includes "advertising id"
_yasmeen 4y ago
>features like protecting copy and paste, and stopping autoplay brought a smile to my face. This is what we get now when we had developers band together with those who want to protect their "content" that is not valuable enough to be published directly, nor is it original; yet they want to make sure that no one takes their amateur work and makes money from it before they do. This is what we get for wanting to create artist protections without needing formal frameworks or policies: the creatives find a way to do something, and then the replicators find ways to use it en masse. Protecting content was not an issue after SEO, or before online payments for reading articles online, nor was it ever really necessary. All they do is make sure that those who are motivated to copy their content find ways to do so, with a hassle.
em-bee 4y ago
it's the entire OS stack we need to take back we already have, it's called GNU/Linux with wine. the number of apps that it can't run is getting less by the day

ohCh6zos 4y ago

We're at the point where both MacOS and Windows have an advertising ID. It can be anonymized, but I can't just turn it off.

dynm 4y ago
Not sure if this is true, but according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identifier_for_Advertisers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identifier_for_Advertisers you can opt out of this on MacOS by choosing the "Limit Ad Tracking" setting.
- fsflover 4y ago
  Note how it says "limit", not "stop" ad tracking.
  - HWR_14 4y ago
    Yes, it says "limit" because Apple cannot guarantee all 3rd party ad tracking stops in every piece of software. What it does is set your personalized advertising ID to all 0s, making you indistinguishable from 20% of Apple users. That is, it completely opts you out of Apple's tracking ID that the poster was complaining about. I mentioned you can also turn off Windows personalized ID, but for some reason that post (and the instructions) were downvoted. The point remains that the advertising IDs the poster was talking about are optional from both Windows and Apple. Unless you consider the API returning a universal dummy value and not an error to be an issue.
    - ohCh6zos 4y ago
      I would argue the correct behavior is not sending it at all and having an error if the other side requests it. Why should my OS offer any information even a bucket of 20% of users?
HWR_14 4y ago
On windows you can trivially turn it off [1]. Heck, it even prompts you to decide when you install the OS. [1] On both 10&11: Start > Settings > Privacy & security > General. The name of the option differs between two, but look for the options that starts with "Let apps" and includes "advertising id"

_yasmeen 4y ago

>features like protecting copy and paste, and stopping autoplay brought a smile to my face. This is what we get now when we had developers band together with those who want to protect their "content" that is not valuable enough to be published directly, nor is it original; yet they want to make sure that no one takes their amateur work and makes money from it before they do. This is what we get for wanting to create artist protections without needing formal frameworks or policies: the creatives find a way to do something, and then the replicators find ways to use it en masse. Protecting content was not an issue after SEO, or before online payments for reading articles online, nor was it ever really necessary. All they do is make sure that those who are motivated to copy their content find ways to do so, with a hassle.

em-bee 4y ago

it's the entire OS stack we need to take back we already have, it's called GNU/Linux with wine. the number of apps that it can't run is getting less by the day