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>>Russia has failed to achieve most of its objectives in Ukraine because... >The opening comment makes its seem like this is now all in the past. I think its a
by KVFinn 4y ago
>>Russia has failed to achieve most of its objectives in Ukraine because...
>The opening comment makes its seem like this is now all in the past. I think its a bit early to comment on how much Russia achieves here - this is very much WIP with a lot dependent on the solidarity in the West and the reaction of the populations to the cost of the war and the war effort as it drags on.
Essentially, the manner in which Russia will have to prosecute to the military side of the war to 'win' their military objectives, will make the political objectives that were the reason for the war in the first place, unachievable.
In the first few days of the war it was possible to imagine Russia achieving those political objectives. Ukraine might have given up the capital immediately. Huge parts of the country might have decided they preferred to join Russia. Europe might have decided not to respond. But it soon became apparent that those assumptions were wildly off. Any victory now will, at best, include absolutely massive quantities of troops perpetually kept in Ukraine at an incredible cost of resources and lives over future years.
- type0 4y ago> Any victory now will, at best, include absolutely massive quantities of troops perpetually kept in Ukraine at an incredible cost of resources and lives over future years. They want the land, not the ukrainian people. Putin will gladly send them to Siberia.
- attentive 4y agoRussia population is declining. That's why they kidnap Ukrainian children by hundreds thousands. They also mobilize all men in occupied territories. Virtually all men in DNR/LNR are mobilized and sent as a 2d class cannon fodder in front of russian forces. Same seems to be in plans in occupied Herson and Zaporizhzhia regions. Adding 40mill Ukrainians to "russia" and then use them to attack other countries is the name of the game.
- rasz 4y agoFor context because due to the high number people seem to discount this as western war propaganda, so straight from horses mouth: https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1524843197951795200 https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1524843197951795200 "Russia's Presidential Commissioner for Children’s Rights Maria Lvova-Belova: More than 190,000 children had arrived in Russia from Donbass by early May, including about 1,200 coming from orphanages in the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics." Russians themselves are bragging about kidnapping 190K children.
- wrp 4y agoThis looks like a genuine humanitarian mission that someone is trying to spin as an atrocity.
- rasz 4y agoIf China invaded your country and started shipping children to Xinjiang would you also call this a genuine humanitarian mission?
- type0 4y agoA "genuine humanitarian mission", called genocide. They already count kidnapped children that still have parents in Ukraine as orphans, mainly since Russians are planning to make them that.
- hdjjhhvvhga 4y agoOr they could just stop killing people so no such "humanitarian mission" would be necessary.
- thriftwy 4y agoHave you heard the word 'refugees'? Western war propaganda is framing refugees to Russia as kidnapped and forcibly held.
- rasz 4y agoRefugee is someone running away from the aggressor. not being forcibly relocated to reeducation camps. One example from two months ago https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-forcibly-moved-mariupol-children-6000-miles-away-ukraine-official-2022-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-forcibly-moved-mariup...
- pengaru 4y agoIf Russia can continue selling its exports while Ukraine's ports remain closed due to war, time would be on Russia's side, no?