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Aaaaahhhhh I’ll play a bit of the Devil’s advocate here and say: you don’t live next door. It might well be the case that living next door to this guy is hell o
by jen729w 4y ago
Aaaaahhhhh I’ll play a bit of the Devil’s advocate here and say: you don’t live next door. It might well be the case that living next door to this guy is hell on Earth.
You shouldn’t just be allowed to do what you want just because you own a block of suburban land. We live in a society.
- Clubber 4y agoI seriously doubt it. Working on cars isn't noisy. Had he been a chainsaw sculptor, maybe. My comment was on the amount they thought was ok to fine him and the fact a judge didn't find it excessive. I suspect it was more of a bureaucratic, "you will respect my authorit-a" type thing and the judge didn't keep them in check.
- havelhovel 4y ago> Working on cars isn't noisy. That is not my experience at any mechanic's shop ever! And even without all the fancy tools, my neighbor was banging on their engine for hours just last weekend. Maybe they don't know what they're doing, and therefore it doesn't count as work, but it sure was loud.
- cafard 4y agoIt's not clear to me that he was working on cars. Thinking about working on cars, planning to work on cars, sure.
- sillysaurusx 4y agoPlaying devil’s advocate is fun, but you don’t know. And it’s hard to imagine how fixing a car could be hell on earth for the neighbors. Listen to how it sounds. It’s over half a million dollars for fixing a car, man (woman; I wish there was a gender neutral term that had the same flexibility, since “bud” just sounds aggressive).
- Shog9 4y agoIt's trivial to imagine, if you've ever worked on a car, had a "car guy" neighbor, lived near a service shop, etc. Many cars are neither quiet nor do they confine their emissions to property boundaries.
- crooked-v 4y agoThe city has noted that the neighbors complained about rats, and that the guy actively refused to allow a city inspector onto the property (who could have, presumably, confirmed or denied reports of vermin infestation). That's less 'fixing a car' and more 'letting stuff sit there unattended until it fills up with animal nests'.
- Ferrotin 4y agoIt’s private property, a city inspector has no right to trespass.
- crooked-v 4y agoWell, yes, sure. But if all your neighbors say that rats are breeding in your suburban backyard and you refuse to allow anyone in who could document otherwise, resulting civil action like fines should be no surprise.
- Clubber 4y agoThat was not mentioned as anything that was part of the $573,000 fine. Not sure why you are mentioning it as a justification. Do you feel people will be ok with fining someone $573,000 for having rats in their yard vs. having vehicles?
- crooked-v 4y agoIt's in the city's response to this article: https://sacramentocityexpress.com/2022/04/19/city-corrects-misleading-article-on-code-enforcement-from-the-sacramento-bee/ https://sacramentocityexpress.com/2022/04/19/city-corrects-m... Reading between the lines here, the most likely course of events is pretty obvious: he let non-operational vehicles sit in his backyard indefinitely while 'working' on them (i.e. thinking about working on them and putting it off until next week every time), those turned into rats' nests (fed, at least in part, by the uncollected fruit from the trees on the same property), and the neighbors started complaining about rats everywhere that they couldn't do anything about because most of them were living on the guy's unmaintained property.
- javajosh 4y agoI would have used "dude" and not worried about it - HN is mostly dudes and from my experience female nerds could care less if you call them dudes (and may even get a little thrill out of it.)
- sillysaurusx 4y agoYou wouldn’t date a dude unless you like dudes. The ones I’ve spoken with definitely don’t get a thrill out of that.
- javajosh 4y agoNot sure what you mean. Not talking about dating anyone, talking about addressing someone online as "dude". Where I grew up, in LA, "dude" is used by both men and women to address each other. And unless you yourself are harmed, or know someone who is harmed by this usage, I'd avoid taking speculative umbrage first because it's bad for your heart, and second because it's a huge waste of everyone's time.
- sillysaurusx 4y agoThe fact that you feel it’s a waste of time is part of the problem, dude. I’m relating things that women have told me directly. It’s not speculative. It’s exhausting when you’re part of a group and constantly mislabeled. Being friends with a diverse range of people helps with this. Next time you feel it’s okay to refer to a woman as a dude, just remember that you wouldn’t date a dude unless you were into dudes. If you’d like to discuss further, I’d be willing, since it’s an important topic to me. But we have to keep it high quality and substantive.
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- wanderingstan 4y agoThe city’s blog post about the case gives an idea of what the neighbors were experiencing; > neighbors complaining that [the yard] had become a harborage for rats.
- ghaff 4y agoGood fences (and even better lots of land) make for good neighbors. But in typical suburban lots, there's presumably some level of junkyard accumulation on a property (or serious degradation of a house) that causes issues for neighbors even absent HOA excesses. There are some limits that all but the most radical libertarians would agree with. It's a question of how much.
- giantg2 4y ago"It might well be the case that living next door to this guy is hell on Earth." It's also possible that the complainers are stuck up pricks. I suppose we will never know since we aren't their neighbors. "You shouldn’t just be allowed to do what you want just because you own a block of suburban land." True. What actions did he do that negatively impacted his neighbors? Fruit falling off his trees? Working on a car and having some cars in just back lot? Mind you all of this was reasonably hidden as well as it is practical to do so (behind a fence).